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Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by fromMars »

krapp wrote: post #129
fromMars wrote: post #128

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I am not trying to rehabilitate Epstein. He was a vile and disgusting sex trafficker, rapist, pedophile, whatever you want to call him. I am all for going after anyone else who can be proven to be involved. He is also dead. I just don't think there was anything particularly exceptional/unique about him as a story other than his wealth as human trafficking is a global problem.

You aren't taking into account all of the effort the Republicans spent ginning up conspiracy theories about Satanic pedophile cults within the Democratic Party and how Trump's base made that and "releasing the Epstein files" their entire identity, or the absolute clownshow debacle of the Trump administration trying to stall, prevaricate and memory-hole the entire thing after it became clear how implicated Trump himse…

Thanks for the perspective. It could be that I am being overly sensitive to the discourse around this.

As someone who avoids forums where these ideas are promoted, it's hard to know when people are talking about things like "Satanic cults" whether that is some code word for Jews.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by bakies »

clipsy wrote: post #42
colecut wrote: post #35

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Actually, no she didn't, but a lot of people are saying she did.

Snopes confirms this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bondi-epstein-files-system... But everyone knows Snopes is leftist propaganda, so it's probably false. /s

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by krapp »

fromMars wrote: post #131
krapp wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't taking into account all of the effort the Republicans spent ginning up conspiracy theories about Satanic pedophile cults within the Democratic Party and how Trump's base made that and "releasing the Epstein files" their entire identity, or the absolute clownshow debacle of the Trump administration trying to stall, prevaricate and memory-hole the entire thing after it became clear how implicated Trump himse…

Thanks for the perspective. It could be that I am being overly sensitive to the discourse around this. As someone who avoids forums where these ideas are promoted, it's hard to know when people are talking about things like "Satanic cults" whether that is some code word for Jews.

> it's hard to know when people are talking about things like "Satanic cults" whether that is some code word for Jews.

That came straight out of /pol/ so it definitely was, although I suspect that as with "cultural Marxism" it got diffused enough within the right wing that the antisemitism got obscured for most people, but the roots are still there. Trump tweeted this image of Hillary Clinton in 2016, after all[0].

But I think that it's important not to mistake online discourse for societal norms. All of that is intentionally engineered by social media platforms and political interests to maximize the effect of radicalism and extremism, and Twitter explicitly for right-wing ends. I think in the real world, most people don't fall in for that sort of thing.

[0]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/02/donald-trump...

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by fromMars »

anechouapechou wrote: post #126
fromMars wrote: post #121

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Nice spin on what I said. Never "defended" Epstein or claimed what he did was legal, rape, sex trafficking... Nor did I defend "old farts fucking teenagers". What I did do was point out that this behavior seems to be viewed differently when the participant is a Jewish man than when he is French or Anglo. > By the way, if you're trying to truly combat antisemitism, it would be wise of you to avoid mentioning that you…

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There are multiple different conversations which you are referencing there which is making it difficult to respond to your points.

On Epstein, I do think the Catholic Church scandal was of a similar magnitude, considering the number of priests and victims involved. The main point I was trying to convey is that the coverage of Epstein is greater than anything I have seen and there is a danger of it being used to promote anti-semitism. Just search the topic on X to see thousands of examples.

Regarding my comments on the age of consent, I am sensitive to words used to describe someone like Seinfeld. Pedophilia and specifically acting on it is one of the worst crimes anyone can commit. Branding someone a pedophile is a very serious accusation. That is a common trope used to describe Jewish men.

Jerry may be a lecher or a scumbag or a pervert, but I have difficulty using that word in his case, and I think in that context the mores in different countries is important. Maybe I am being paranoid and seeing anti-semitism where it isn't.

Thanks for the discussion.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by fromMars »

orwin wrote: post #124
fromMars wrote: post #117

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> The age of consent being this low is to avoid prosecuting 15-20 yo having sex with each other. Not for gross old men to coerce minors into having sex with them. I don't buy this argument. That is addressed by age gap laws which some countries have or in the U.S. where there age of consent is different if one of the parties is over 18 and 21. You can't honestly be claiming that these type of relationships don't occu…

I'm not. I'm claiming that if, as a teacher, employer, parent, or anybody the justice system recognize have power over a minor, you have a relationship with him or her, the consent is waived, even if they gave you explicit consent. That's all. So as long as any victims is a minor, even if the victim is 17 and gave explicit consent, if the predator have provable power over her, the consent is waived and it is a pedoph…

Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

fromMars wrote: post #88
dash2 wrote: post #10

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This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.

Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by dttze »

fromMars wrote: post #88
dash2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.

Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary. As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews. Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church. Epstein isn't the…

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Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by tsoukase »

Well, I dare to say my belief. The whole setup of the last 15 years and publication frenzy after the (obvious) murder of JE, is pushed as agenda of the Secret Western World government to keep the leaders as hostages. Their is a legal gun pointing on their head and if they don't comply, it will fire. Else, they will never be touched.

Re: Inside Epstein’s network: what 1.4M emails reveal

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Post by salawat »

janalsncm wrote: post #48
nixosbestos wrote: post #36

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There is a book “Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible” which you might want to consider before deciding truth doesn’t matter anymore. It describes an explicit strategy by the Kremlin to poison the information landscape with lies, half truths, and conspiracies. And amplify conflicting narratives. Eventually people stop caring about what is true anymore.

Fuck the Kremlin. Corporate America calls the same damn thing marketing, advertising, sales, and public relations respectively.
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