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A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

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Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#131

Post by throwaway5752 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #60
throwaway5752 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You probably should forget that, because it isn’t true. There’s no credible link between FAA staffing cuts and the DCA midair. That was a long-standing set of bad routes that was going to kill someone eventually.

It was a system in a critical state and the freeze and well telegraphed upcoming layoffs led to a controller covering two roles and work done by supporting staff. This pushed the system over the edge.

Then they tried to baselessly blame DEI, then they tried to shift blame to the controller.

The collision was January 29. On Jan 20, a hiring freeze was hastily rolled out including the FAA. They were in the process of laying off staff, which was finalized in February with 400 probationary staff. These were largely rolled back that year after the impact to the civil aviation system, including substantially contributing to the deaths of these 67 people. The NIST report was produced under pressure. I stand by what I wrote. They threw an overloaded system into chaos with little care for the consequences and this was one of the results.

DOGE was working hand in hand with then new administration the entire time.

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#132

Post by ExpertAdvisor01 »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #131
rogerrogerr wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably should forget that, because it isn’t true. There’s no credible link between FAA staffing cuts and the DCA midair. That was a long-standing set of bad routes that was going to kill someone eventually.

It was a system in a critical state and the freeze and well telegraphed upcoming layoffs led to a controller covering two roles and work done by supporting staff. This pushed the system over the edge. Then they tried to baselessly blame DEI, then they tried to shift blame to the controller. The collision was January 29. On Jan 20, a hiring freeze was hastily rolled out including the FAA. They were in the process of l…

You are delusional

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#133

Post by rogerrogerr »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #131
rogerrogerr wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably should forget that, because it isn’t true. There’s no credible link between FAA staffing cuts and the DCA midair. That was a long-standing set of bad routes that was going to kill someone eventually.

It was a system in a critical state and the freeze and well telegraphed upcoming layoffs led to a controller covering two roles and work done by supporting staff. This pushed the system over the edge. Then they tried to baselessly blame DEI, then they tried to shift blame to the controller. The collision was January 29. On Jan 20, a hiring freeze was hastily rolled out including the FAA. They were in the process of l…

I’m a pilot. The controller handed off separation to the helicopter the moment they called traffic in sight. You could have had a dozen controllers in the tower and this still would have happened.

You list some facts, but they are not connected to the incident in a causal way.

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#134

Post by exe34 »

kube-system wrote: post #129
exe34 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so why are you defending instead of condemning them?

I'm not defending anything? Replying to someone doesn't mean I hold an opposite viewpoint. You don't have any clue what my opinion is because I haven't posted it.

Yes, you can get a lot more mileage out of hinting and indignation than taking a public position.

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#135

Post by Forgeties79 »

kube-system wrote: post #129
exe34 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so why are you defending instead of condemning them?

I'm not defending anything? Replying to someone doesn't mean I hold an opposite viewpoint. You don't have any clue what my opinion is because I haven't posted it.

I think the real question here is why after this many comments you still haven’t taken a position other than generally arguing with other people. When people do that, especially online, it generally means they are being deliberately opaque with their opinions. It’s intentional. So the reasonable thing to conclude is that you disagree until you say otherwise. If that’s not your goal then try a different approach here.

I agree that it’s frustrating to be misinterpreted or misrepresented, but if you fail to represent yourself at any stage (which you seem to agree you haven’t done) then that’s what’s going to happen. So say what you think or just move on. I think at this point we can stop playing these rhetorical games.

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#136

Post by ExpertAdvisor01 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #133
throwaway5752 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a system in a critical state and the freeze and well telegraphed upcoming layoffs led to a controller covering two roles and work done by supporting staff. This pushed the system over the edge. Then they tried to baselessly blame DEI, then they tried to shift blame to the controller. The collision was January 29. On Jan 20, a hiring freeze was hastily rolled out including the FAA. They were in the process of l…

I’m a pilot. The controller handed off separation to the helicopter the moment they called traffic in sight. You could have had a dozen controllers in the tower and this still would have happened. You list some facts, but they are not connected to the incident in a causal way.

Private or commercial pilot ?

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#137

Post by throwaway5752 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #133
throwaway5752 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a system in a critical state and the freeze and well telegraphed upcoming layoffs led to a controller covering two roles and work done by supporting staff. This pushed the system over the edge. Then they tried to baselessly blame DEI, then they tried to shift blame to the controller. The collision was January 29. On Jan 20, a hiring freeze was hastily rolled out including the FAA. They were in the process of l…

I’m a pilot. The controller handed off separation to the helicopter the moment they called traffic in sight. You could have had a dozen controllers in the tower and this still would have happened. You list some facts, but they are not connected to the incident in a causal way.

"causal way" is the key part.

I did list facts. And I agree with your causal analysis. I simply disagree with your interpretation of the degree to which the contributing factors we responsible. This is not my words as someone on the internet, this is the NTSB report's contributing factors.

If a shipping company immediately changed policy to force drivers to work 18 hours a day and 7 days a week, then it would be a pretty poor analysis to chalk all the resulting accidents up to driver error. Driver error would be the actual cause, the negligent policy change would be a proximate cause.

I respect your expertise in the area as a pilot but I will stand by what I have said. And I respectfully have said all I have to say on the matter.

Re: A party balloon shut down El Paso International Airport; estimated cost –$573k

#139

Post by rogerrogerr »

ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #136
rogerrogerr wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a pilot. The controller handed off separation to the helicopter the moment they called traffic in sight. You could have had a dozen controllers in the tower and this still would have happened. You list some facts, but they are not connected to the incident in a causal way.

Private or commercial pilot ?

Commercial
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