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Post by comboy »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #128
comboy wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There there, remember when all images were hand painted? (me neither) And I know it's different, but I'm surprised the overall sentiment is so pessimistic on HN. So maybe we will communicate through yet another black box on top of hundreds of existing ones already. But probably mostly when seeking specific information and wanting to get it efficiently. Yes this one is different, it makes human contact over text much…

There is a mountain of difference between photography and Ai

This argument works against any new thing. Yes it is totally different than the thing that happened before and perhaps something that has never happened before, I don't deny that at all.

Perception of new things stays relatively constant over the years though.

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Post by hinkley »

ravirajx7 wrote: post #93

AI has kind of ruined internet for me. I no longer feel joy in reading things as almost most of the writing seem same and pale to me as if everyone is putting thoughts in the same way. Having your own way of writing always felt personal in which you expressed your feelings most of the time. The most sad part for me is I no longer am able to understand someone's true feelings (which anyway was hard to express in writi…

I used to daydream of a 'dark web' but for humans not criminals. But at this point I don't know how you'd keep slop out, given how high human collusion has gotten of late.

Re: ai;dr

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Post by acedTrex »

jama211 wrote: post #91
acedTrex wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ya i hate the idea that theres a difference, Code to me has always been as expressive about a person as normal prose. LLMs you lose a lot of vital information about the programmers personality. It leads to worse outcomes because it makes the failures less predictable.

Code _can_ be expressive but it also can not, it depends on its purpose. Some code I cobbled together to pass a badly written assignment at school. Other code I curated to be beautiful for my own benefit or someone else’s. I think the better analogy in writing would be… using an LLM to draft a reply to a hawkish car dealer you’re trying to not get screwed by is absolutely fine. Using it to write a birthday card for s…

All code is expressive, if a person emitted it, it is expressive about their state of mind, their values and their context.

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Post by meindnoch »

FrankRay78 wrote: post #44

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I just skimmed the article, but I can already tell it's chock-full of LLMisms. In other words: ai;dr

Edit: ok, I've checked your profile and now I see that this is your website that you're astroturfing every thread you reply to. Stop doing that.

Re: ai;dr

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Post by cgriswald »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #28
cgriswald wrote: post #18

> For me, writing is the most direct window into how someone thinks, perceives, and groks the world. Once you outsource that to an LLM, I'm not sure what we're even doing here. Why should I bother to read something someone else couldn't be bothered to write? Because writing is a dirty, scratched window with liquid between the frames and an LLM can be the microfiber cloth and degreaser that makes it just a bit clearer…

> Because writing is a dirty, scratched window with liquid between the frames and an LLM can be the microfiber cloth and degreaser that makes it just a bit clearer. Homogenization is good for milk, but not for writing.

Clarity is good for writing and homogenization can increase clarity. There is a reason technical writing doesn’t read like journalism doesn’t read like fiction. There’s a reason we have dictionaries and editors. There’s a reason we have style guides. Including an LLM in writing in any of these roles or others isn’t ipso facto bad. I think many people who think it is just don’t like the style. And that’s okay, but the article isn’t about the style per se but about effort. Both lazy writing and effortful writing can be done with or without an LLM.

Re: ai;dr

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Post by dqv »

Handy-Man wrote: post #43

OP took it from here without credit https://www.threads.com/@raytray4/post/DUmB657FR4P

... attributionism for such a trivial thing is a waste of time. Multiple people can come up with a term like this independently because it's not that creative. People have been doing this with the ";dr" suffix for as long as it has been popular.

And you're wrong for suggesting that's the first use of ai;dr and further assuming that the author "stole" it from that post. https://rollenspiel.social/@holothuroid/113078030925958957 - September 4, 2024

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Post by dionian »

netsharc wrote: post #71
dontwannahearit wrote: post #25

It's pretty much over for the human-internet. Search was gamed, its usefulness has plummeted, so humans will increasingly ask their LLM of choice and that LLM will have been trained on the content of the internet. So when someone wants to know something about the topic that my website is focused on, chances are it will not be the material from the website they see directly, but a summary of what the LLM learned from…

Tragedy of the attention-economy. Ad networks gives you money if you placed their ads on your site, so people got machines to generate fluff to earn some money. Now all search result is just bullshit pages to capture your attention until the banner ad.. A simple query like "Ford Focus wheel nut torque" gives pages with blah blah like: > Overview Of Lug Nut Torque For Ford Focus > The Ford Focus uses specific lug nut…

i think there is a huge market for Quality detection in the future. imagine a browser plugin that could filter AI slop like an ad blocker does ads. im sure it exists already. But im sure it needs to get more advanced

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Post by platinumrad »

ravirajx7 wrote: post #93

AI has kind of ruined internet for me. I no longer feel joy in reading things as almost most of the writing seem same and pale to me as if everyone is putting thoughts in the same way. Having your own way of writing always felt personal in which you expressed your feelings most of the time. The most sad part for me is I no longer am able to understand someone's true feelings (which anyway was hard to express in writi…

Things like retirement posts have always been vetted (if not written by) PR agencies, so in that sense I think it would be a good thing if the mass delusion of parasocial relationships with celebrities were indirectly broken by AI-created skepticism.

However, I agree that ordinary people filtering and flattening their communication into a single style is a great loss.

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Post by 4b11b4 »

ssiddharth wrote: post #50
losvedir wrote: post #6

I really like Oxide's take on AI for prose: https://rfd.shared.oxide.computer/rfd/0576 and how it breaks the "social contract" where usually it takes more effort to write than to read, and so you have a sense that it's worth it to read. So I get the frustration that "ai;dr" captures. On the other hand, I've also seen human writing incorrectly labeled AI. I wrote (using AI!) https://seeitwritten.com as a bit of an exp…

My biggest sorrow right now is the fact that my beloved emdash is a major signal for AI generated content. I've been using it for decades now but these days, I almost always pause for a second.

Also, unfortunately I have in my global instructions to never use em dashes...

Re: ai;dr

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Post by 4b11b4 »

4b11b4 wrote: post #139
ssiddharth wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest sorrow right now is the fact that my beloved emdash is a major signal for AI generated content. I've been using it for decades now but these days, I almost always pause for a second.

Also, unfortunately I have in my global instructions to never use em dashes...

Maybe I'll get over it eventually.
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