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Post by dylan604 »

itintheory wrote: post #122
dylan604 wrote: post #115

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Connecting via ODB? Come on. The car does not need any of that built into it. You can connect an app on your phone to handle all of that and just use the screen as a display. There is no need for a car to have a cellular connection just to give this functionality. That would also prevent the car from being able to communicate with the mother ship. If there's an update, have the app do that as well.

> ODB Ol' Dirty Bastard? I jest, but I think the theory behind wanting an 'On-board Diagnostics' [1] connection would be to get data from the vehicle. You can get cheap bluetooth OBD-II adapters to transmit that info to your phone, it's not a given. I don't know much about electric cars, but if you want your phone to know the fuel level in an ICE vehicle then you'd need this kind of connection. [1] https://en.wikiped…

I make typos like that lot. The one that is most common for me is CVS instead of CSV. No, this isn't a list of things to get from the drug store ::facepalm::

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Post by nottorp »

criddell wrote: post #127
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #65

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> Anyway, you could assume 10 years ago, each button was $2. A car has 40-70 buttons? So its probably like $100 a car. Maybe $150 or $200 in today's money. I have a late 90s Range Rover. It has about 12 buttons on the dashboard, most of which I never have to bother with (they do things that turn on and off the fog lamps, which I don't need to use, or adjust the air suspension, which I rarely need to use). I turn the…

> What do you actually need an LCD for in a car? Backup camera. They are required by law.

It doesn't have to be a LCD. Why not a CRT :)

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Post by bradchris »

mcny wrote: post #21
Brian_K_White wrote: post #19

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We're all just waiting for the Slate for exactly that reason.

I was hoping it would be under USD 20k including all taxes but now rumors say likely NOT under USD 25k?

That was based on the $7.5k EV subsidy. California will still give you $2.5k, though, so just over $20k.

Crazy to think had the federal subsidy not been cut, that car would be possible to get for around $15k. Unheard of.

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Post by myko »

drnick1 wrote: post #123
nsbk wrote: post #114

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The US averages 23 pedestrian deaths per million people per year. The EU averages 8. The US fatalities have increased by 50% since 2013, while in the EU have decreased by 25% in the same time frame. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7408a2.htm

> The US averages 23 pedestrian deaths per million people per year. The EU averages 8. Americans drive significantly more miles per year, and larger/more comfortable cars are in part needed because Americans spend far more time in their cars than Europeans. Euro governments are also increasingly anti-car, which means citizens are loosing their freedom to travel as they wish and unreasonably taxed, policed, and treate…

> which means citizens are loosing their freedom to travel as they wish

Most of my European friends brag about how they can get anywhere via train and how much more comfortable it is to travel that way. When I visit Europe I have to agree. Just haven't really seen this viewpoint, though I do think I would feel this way as an American if I moved to Europe to some extent (though I'd be extremely happy to have viable mass transit).

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Post by dotancohen »

wasmainiac wrote: post #13
oritron wrote: post #9

It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...

> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

The last car that I remember being just an engine and seats was the Dodge Viper. I think some K class Japanese domestic vehicles are also likewise basic.

I loved the Viper, but its spartan interior and features list were its detriment.

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Post by wussboy »

vineyardmike wrote: post #110
danudey wrote: post #82

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When I'm 5'11" and I often see trucks and SUVs whose hoods come nearly to my shoulder, it just boggles my mind. Of all the regulations around vehicles, I don't understand why "being able to see the road five feet in front of the vehicle" isn't one of them.

Because trucks are extremely popular, and frankly there is a cultural identity associated with them. Most people don't haul things with their truck, and if they do, it's very infrequently. BUT in American fashion, the optionality to do this partially drives purchasing decisions.

But that identity was crafted by marketing. It could just as easily craft another identity if required.

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Post by cwillu »

leecommamichael wrote: post #17
wasmainiac wrote: post #13

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> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

The "interactive user manual" sounds neat. It probably doesn't need to be part of the car's computer.

Dear god do I not want to be trying to deal with an interactive user manual when pulled over on the side of the road trying to look up the lift point to jack the car up.

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Post by parpfish »

wasmainiac wrote: post #13
oritron wrote: post #9

It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...

> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

But once they replace gas engine with electric motor, car has NO engine. Gotta slip in a game engine.

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Post by dotancohen »

ncallaway wrote: post #105
alt227 wrote: post #80

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Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.

> Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. Was there a single mass market consumer car sold in the United States in this millennium that didn’t already have processors and RAM in them? I would be absolutely shocked if there was a single car for which the relatively recent backup camera requirement required them to introduce processors and RAM…

I believe that in some vehicles the backup camera actually runs on a separate (possibly real time, otherwise certainly heavily nice'ed) system. Tesla has a recall where they had to nice the backup camera software. The problem was if the display freezes or is delayed, then the driver is backing up and not aware that he doesn't see where he is going (he thinks that what he sees is representative of the area around the car currently).

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Post by spease »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #112
alt227 wrote: post #80

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Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.

Was it ever a problem to get the kind of phone SoC or camera chips you'd need for a backup camera if you were willing to pay an extra $20? I thought the issue was more specialized things. And you need one gigabyte of ram or less.

A gigabyte!?

You shouldn’t need any dedicated RAM. A decent microcontroller should be able to handle transcoding the output from the camera to the display and provide infotainment software that talks to the CANbus or Ethernet.

And the bare minimum is probably just a camera and a display.

Even buffering a full HD frame would only require a few megabytes.

Pretty sure the law doesn’t require an electron app running a VLM (yet) that would justify anything approaching gigabytes of RAM.

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