Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Bazzite Post-Mortem

ba.antheas.dev

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 156 posts

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#131

Post by RandomGerm4n »

cobolexpert wrote: post #35

Relevant comment from some months ago [1]. Personally I find that sticking to distros backed by companies or very large communities is just easier in the long term (Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Arch). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46092225

Using Fedora Kinoite/Silverblue is not really an option if you are using an Nvidia GPU. With Bazzite, the driver is pre-installed and also signed directly with a Secure Boot Key that you can import when installing Bazzite. With normal Fedora Atomic, you have to install and sign the driver manually, and with some updates, the whole thing breaks again, so you have to fiddle around with it. In addition, Fedora Flatpak Remote has been removed, which is a “noobtrap” in normal Fedora Atomic. This allows you to install broken versions of browsers where the codecs are missing and videos don't work. In addition, Distrobox functions better than Toolbox, and in general, Bazzite's defaults are much more geared towards an immutable system. Silberblue/Kinoite's defaults are just like normal Fedora, and you have to layer dozens of things to achieve the same thing, whereas Bazzite is completely designed for a container workflow.

Even if you ignore any gaming optimizations, etc., this alone makes it a significantly better option than the official Fedora Atomic images.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#132

Post by Conan_Kudo »

malicka wrote: post #67
hiprob wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what about linus torvalds

You can be Dr. House MD only when you have the rep and skills of Dr. House MD. I think Linus definitely cleared that threshold.

Linus got counseling to get better at communication. Even he recognized that was bad. Don't use him as an example to accept bad people.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#133

Post by altairprime »

maeln wrote: post #46

Sometimes I feel like Discord as been nothing but a bane on OSS. A chat is inherently less searchable than a wiki/forum/documentation, and those sources are often readable without needing to authenticate, which meant that you could find an answer through Google and such. Most project now don't bother with publicly readable and archivable (and so offline viewable) information sources and just rely on Discord. This lea…

It turns out that before Discord, we had project IRC channels, and they would splinter along various prosocial or antisocial lines over time. It was essentially guaranteed when the channel exceeded 150 regulars, but there were criticality points around 5-10 and ~50 as well. None of this excuses anyone from behaving badly, but certainly Discord is not the cause of communication breakdown and group shattering events — it’s just a chat server, same as all the ones before it. And as with all prior chat servers, they make horrendous technical LB replacements — but are a brilliant way to provide mentorship to (slash and infect enthusiasm upon) others, which is why they persist so strongly in the face of all of the problems these real-time group chain letters highlight in human behaviors: Hobbyists desire to socialize with other hobbyists.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#134

Post by Forgeties79 »

jajuuka wrote: post #121
Forgeties79 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? If you were involved with bazzite that was not necessarily an option. Hence why some people just elected to leave the project entirely, which is unfortunate to see because I’m sure some talented, contributing people are no longer making the project better. Honestly I’m surprised that I need to explain the need for people to treat each other with b…

Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish. What are you talking about? Of course you should treat everybody well. But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. Of course I've been harassed before. But that's not related to this at all. We're talking about Bazzite where someone got called an idiot once. You're really reaching now. If you were harassing my partner or children this would be…

> Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish.

> But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well.

I never said either of those statements and I agree they are not worth flipping the table over for.

> Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave".

It’s not hypothetical. It’s what people are claiming he was doing and you were saying people need to just shrug it off. My questions to you were an attempt to establish that there is a line at which someone can say “it’s not just mean words anymore.” More specifically, where you draw the line.

You keep trying to describe the situation as one very small slight that happened one time, which does not appear to be accurate. The accusation is a pattern of behavior. If you don’t believe the accusation that is an entirely different story, but if most or all of what is being claimed is true, then he was needlessly hostile and caused problems for multiple people for an extended period of time. He didn’t simply “call someone an idiot once.”

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#137

Post by jajuuka »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #134
jajuuka wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish. What are you talking about? Of course you should treat everybody well. But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. Of course I've been harassed before. But that's not related to this at all. We're talking about Bazzite where someone got called an idiot once. You're really reaching now. If you were harassing my partner or children this would be…

> Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish. > But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. I never said either of those statements and I agree they are not worth flipping the table over for. > Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave". It’s not hypothetical. It’s what people are claiming he was…

I would be very interested to see this repeated and consistent behavior then. Because all the evidence that keeps getting passed around is someone getting an idiot once. Which seems to clearly vindicate Antheas's claim that the other devs developed a sycophantic group inside the project around them. Groups like that pull this "he was harassing everyone and making everyone quit" story seems to have zero evidence to back it up.

Obviously if he was harassing people and forcing them to quit that's a different story, but that does not seem to be the case here unless you take the remaining Bazzite project leaders word for it. This seems more like a case of power hungry project leadership wanting to have an echo chamber in the project. Which is not an uncommon occurrence sadly.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#138

Post by [deleted] »

jajuuka wrote: post #137
Forgeties79 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish. > But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. I never said either of those statements and I agree they are not worth flipping the table over for. > Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave". It’s not hypothetical. It’s what people are claiming he was…

I would be very interested to see this repeated and consistent behavior then. Because all the evidence that keeps getting passed around is someone getting an idiot once. Which seems to clearly vindicate Antheas's claim that the other devs developed a sycophantic group inside the project around them. Groups like that pull this "he was harassing everyone and making everyone quit" story seems to have zero evidence to ba…

[deleted]

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#139

Post by presbyterian »

Bender wrote: post #125

I've been testing Bazzite and noticed a couple of things that raised an eyebrow for me. Sexual preferences in Bazaar options tool to update flatpaks seems out of place and even if not the limited subset of flags is odd. To me personally that is risking potential drama in the OS/apps. There is also a suspiciously long delay in closing the shell terminal which feels like it is storing or sending something but I have ye…

> Sexual preferences in Bazaar options tool to update flatpaks seems out of place and even if not the limited subset of flags is odd.

I've been using Bazzite for almost a year and I have no idea what this is referring to

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

#140

Post by Bender »

presbyterian wrote: post #139
Bender wrote: post #125

I've been testing Bazzite and noticed a couple of things that raised an eyebrow for me. Sexual preferences in Bazaar options tool to update flatpaks seems out of place and even if not the limited subset of flags is odd. To me personally that is risking potential drama in the OS/apps. There is also a suspiciously long delay in closing the shell terminal which feels like it is storing or sending something but I have ye…

> Sexual preferences in Bazaar options tool to update flatpaks seems out of place and even if not the limited subset of flags is odd. I've been using Bazzite for almost a year and I have no idea what this is referring to

Click Bazaar in menu bar -> Click hamburger button -> Scroll Down
Post reply on HN