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Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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I don't think Singapore was ever cool. In fact I'd say up until a few years ago most Americans didn't even know Singapore existed. Why would they? Now maybe that's changed with Crazy Rich Asians, Tiktok, and the "Senator, I'm Singaporean" meme. For SEA, Thailand was always the cool kid on the block.

hmm. I would say for most Americans it was Japan. Sushi did numbers. Thailand was for sex tourism. Singapore was cool to government/political types because Lee Kuan Yew really did pull off a miracle.

If you read to the end of my comment then you'll see I was only considering Southeast Asia, but if we talk about Asia in general then yeah, we gotta mention Japan ^_^

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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There's the fact that they created a first world economy out of nothing, unlike the Gulf countries that just found oil under their feet.

Serious people TM. It's not a knock, no shame in SG being regional Ned Flanders.

The regional Sy Ableman.

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I think Singapore's immigration policy is still interesting and relevant to western countries, but it's true it's also kind of similar to the UAE. Essentially it's (relatively) easy to get work visas for areas where there's a genuine shortage but difficult to get permanent residency and almost impossible to get citizenship. That's still a very different policy to what most western countries have right now. The UAE ha…

This. My mental image of Singapore was always boring guys in suits working for soulless banks. At least Wall Street bankers go wild on drugs and know how to party. Singapore bankers are men who, when feeling adventurous, have a sip of wine here and there and women who push dogs in strollers. Having been to Singapore many times, I've realized my mental image was pretty accurate. There's no real art scene and even ment…

> There's no real art scene and even mentioning anything that slightly goes against the grain of Singapore's tight, tidy, and strict regimens doesn't just not appeal to the people, it'll actively infuriate them.

Somewhere I read that the government once went around arresting theater troupes and the like that were seen as too leftist, but I can't seem to find the specific info. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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There's an extremely low fertility rate paired with a rapidly aging population. When I visited there were endless advertisements for geriatric type care / end-of-life type planning / etc, and a notably older population working quite low wage jobs in a place where everything was crazy expensive, especially relative to its northern neighbor. It felt depressing. It seems like one of those places that is probably quite n…

wrt the age demographics... 1.theres a constant supply of malaysian chinese who want to migrate to singapore. they're the best, cos they're culturally similar. 2.failing that,a few taiwanese or china chinese can also be allowed to immigrate. singapore is small, and china is huge. only need a few.. wrt living costs.. if u stick to govt subsidised housing(hdb),(public) transport,(hawker) food and healthcare, u shld be…

> but singaporeans want more, and leave in droves on trips overseas at every opportunity....

Probably because, as the title of the article states, Singapore isn't cool.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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The rapidly aging populace is bad for everyone including the old. Isiah 57:1. We should have had the “day of the pillow” that conservatives in Texas were advocating for during Covid.

So your plan is endless growth? When is the population high enough to stop doing that? How is that supposed to work logistically? In what scenario does that not result in societal collapse within a short few lifetimes? Endless growth and the inevitable planetary destruction/exhaustion from that process isn’t good for anyone, either. It’s easier to adapt to a shrinking population than one that is too large to sustain…

You're creating a false dichotomy since there's always the obvious option of sustainability which is a fertility rate of around 2.1. And declining populations will likely create a far less sustainable world than increasing would. I described in a peer thread how fertility rates directly lead to the age ratios in society. Low fertility rates means you're going to have a low number of working age people for a large number of elderly people. On top of this, positive fertility rates mean that economies naturally increase in size even if you do absolutely nothing - negative growth rates mean that economies will naturally shrink.

We're nowhere even remotely near our production capacity for food, water, or energy - but we're already facing labor issues in achieving such. And in a low-growth future, which is our future, these labor issues will magnify exponentially. And it's not like you can just pay people more and everybody lives happily ever after - there simply won't be enough people to do everything that needs to be done, even if everybody's willing to work themselves to death. The expectations for what a society can provide will begin to unravel.

And I see no reason not to go sci-fi here because there's every reason to believe it's our future. Earth will not be humanity's only domain. It's practically inconceivable that we won't have thriving off-planet civilizations within a century and realistically - far sooner. And a century of unsustainable growth would be vastly less damaging to society than a century of unsustainable decline.

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Singapore has also somehow maintained a supermajority Chinese population consistently since the 1970s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore (77% in 1970, 74.3% in 2020). That is even though the predominantly Muslim Malay population has had much higher total fertility than the Chinese population since 1980: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Total-Fertility-Rate-Per... . It seems like Singapore use…

> Singapore has also somehow maintained a supermajority Chinese population It’s not really a secret that Singapore uses ethnicity based quotas when granting PR and citizenship to maintain their demographic composition.

  It’s not really a secret that Singapore uses ethnicity based quotas when granting PR and citizenship to maintain their demographic composition.
Or be like Malaysia. They don't even bother to keep it a secret to maintain Malay governing power and unfair advantage.

Cheaper gas only for Muslim citizens, not Chinese/Indian citizens. A company must hire Malay Muslim no matter what. Plenty of other rules that favor an ethnicity.

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> Hilariously, both great places to raise kids if you stick to the main attractions. I haven't heard of many examples of people having profoundly positive impacts on the world being raised in either of those two countries. Of course, this will be impacted by their size and in the case of Dubai, it's recent ascendancy. Still, it makes me very wary of that claim.

I mean in the practical sense -safe, good amenities, schooling, access to migrant nannies. Great place to raise kids =/= raise great kids. Especially for expat bubbles.

My idea of a great place to raise kids is one that optimizes the likelihood of them becoming great kids. I don't think they fit the bill. Admittedly, I'm not sure where in the world would rank highest, but I do think both wouldn't score high.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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post #124

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The rapidly aging populace is bad for everyone including the old. Isiah 57:1. We should have had the “day of the pillow” that conservatives in Texas were advocating for during Covid.

So your plan is endless growth? When is the population high enough to stop doing that? How is that supposed to work logistically? In what scenario does that not result in societal collapse within a short few lifetimes? Endless growth and the inevitable planetary destruction/exhaustion from that process isn’t good for anyone, either. It’s easier to adapt to a shrinking population than one that is too large to sustain…

>I hate to say it but tossing bible versus around isn’t going to make your case very well

Not if you actually read the verse, it's a relevant, experience driven philosophical statement.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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It's hilarious that we think of Singapore as competing with China where China has 1000x more people. Singapore is pretty impressive.

Look at the map, all ocean travel between East Asia and India/Europe basically has to go past Singapore. They've been a trade and financial center with a substantial chinese population for a long time.

> Look at the map, all ocean travel between East Asia and India/Europe basically has to go past Singapore.

Same can be said about Sri Lanka.

Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singapore has also somehow maintained a supermajority Chinese population consistently since the 1970s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore (77% in 1970, 74.3% in 2020). That is even though the predominantly Muslim Malay population has had much higher total fertility than the Chinese population since 1980: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Total-Fertility-Rate-Per... . It seems like Singapore use…

> Singapore has also somehow maintained a supermajority Chinese population It’s not really a secret that Singapore uses ethnicity based quotas when granting PR and citizenship to maintain their demographic composition.

I saw a post once from a white guy with a wife and two kids (I think also white) who was confused why he was having so much trouble getting Singaporean PR despite contributing so much to the economy.

Like bro... you are the wrong race, it's that simple, shouldn't be too hard to understand.

I'm not making a moral judgement on whether that's correct or not but it's just how it works

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