“We now buy our bread… it comes sliced… and sure you can just go and make your sandwich and it won’t be a rustic, sourdough that you spent months cultivating. Your tomatoes will be store bought not grown heirlooms. In the end… you have lost the art of baking bread. And your sandwich making skills are lost to time… will humanity ever bake again with these mass factories of bread? What have we lost! Woe is me. Woe is me.”
I miss thinking hard
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better
Comments like these are why I don't browse HN nearly ever anymore
Nothing new. Whenever a new layer of abstraction is added, people say it's worse and will never be as good as the old way. Though it's a totally biased opinion, we just have issues with giving up things we like as human being.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet another example of "comments that are only sort of true because high temperature sampling isn't allowed". If you use LLMs at very high temperature with samplers which correctly keep your writing coherent (i.e. Min_p, or better like top-h, P-less decoding, etc), than "regression to the mean" literally DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!!
How do you configure LLM température in coding agents, e.g. opencode?
You can't without hacking it! That's my point! The only places you can easily are via the API directly, or "coomer" frontends like SillyTavern, Oobabooga, etc.
Same problem with image generation (lack of support for different SDE solvers, the image version of LLM sampling) but they have different "coomer" tools, i.e. ComfyUI or Automatic1111
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#134Rich Hickey and the Clojure folks coined the term Hammock Driven Development. It was tongue in cheek but IMO it is an ideal to strive towards.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on the problem. If the complexity of what you are solving is in the business logic or, generally low, you are absolutely right. Manually coding a signup flow #875 is not my idea of fun either. But if the complexity is in the implementation, it’s different. Doing complex cryptography, doing performance optimization or near-hardware stuff is just a different class of problems.
In my experience AI is pretty good at performance optimizations as long as you know what to ask for. Can't speak to firmware code or complex cryptography but my hunch is if it's in it's training dataset and you know enough to guide it, it's generally pretty useful.
> my hunch is if it's in it's training dataset and you know enough to guide it, it's generally pretty useful.
Presumably humanity still has room to grow and not everything is already in the training set.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Eloquent, moving, and more-or-less exactly what people said when cameras first hit the scene. This is a non sequitur. Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the same concerns quoted: The process, which is an iterative one, is what leads you towards understanding what you actually want to make, whether you were aware of it or not a…
Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. Guess what, they got over it. You will too.
> Guess what, they got over it. You will too.
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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#137I’d love to be able to see statistics that show LLM use and reception according to certain socioeconomic factors.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Eloquent, moving, and more-or-less exactly what people said when cameras first hit the scene. This is a non sequitur. Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the same concerns quoted: The process, which is an iterative one, is what leads you towards understanding what you actually want to make, whether you were aware of it or not a…
Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. Guess what, they got over it. You will too.
>> Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference.
> You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day.
> Guess what, they got over it.
You conveniently omitted my next sentence, which contradicts your position and reads thusly:
Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the
same concerns quoted ...
This statement is assumptive and gratuitous.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you configure LLM température in coding agents, e.g. opencode?
You can't without hacking it! That's my point! The only places you can easily are via the API directly, or "coomer" frontends like SillyTavern, Oobabooga, etc. Same problem with image generation (lack of support for different SDE solvers, the image version of LLM sampling) but they have different "coomer" tools, i.e. ComfyUI or Automatic1111
Once again, porn is where the innovation is…
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#140“We now buy our bread… it comes sliced… and sure you can just go and make your sandwich and it won’t be a rustic, sourdough that you spent months cultivating. Your tomatoes will be store bought not grown heirlooms. In the end… you have lost the art of baking bread. And your sandwich making skills are lost to time… will humanity ever bake again with these mass factories of bread? What have we lost! Woe is me. Woe is m…
That is a very good analogy - sliced shop bread is tasteless and not that good for you compared to sourdough. Likewise awful store bought tomatoes taste like nothing compared to heirloom tomatoes and arguably have different nutritional content.
Shop bread and tomatoes though can be manufactured without any thought of who makes them, though they can be reliably manufactured without someone guiding an LLM which is perhaps where the analogy falls down, and we always want them to be the same, but software is different in every form.