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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

brandon.wang

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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post #108

Fine article but a very important fact comes in at the end — the author has a human personal assistant. It doesn't fundamentally change anything they wrote, but it shows how far out of the ordinary this person is. They were a Thiel Fellow in 2020 and graduated from Phillips Exeter, roughly the most elite high school in the US.

Sure, but that also means they’re well-positioned to do a comparison.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#132
post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

For "something that is published" (which includes a comment like this) I clearly dislike it too, but for chatting / texting, I realize that I often use it more than my interlocutors, and I'm not sure why. There's a part of lazyness I guess, but also a vague sense of "conveying the impression of a never ending stream of communication", which is closer in my mind to the essence of the chat medium. In French, there is also the additional layer of "using the accents or not".

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#133

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Its a gen z trend. My nephews do the same. We are old.

It’s older than that - lots of my boomer bosses did it to seem cool over email in the late 90s. I viscerally remember starting my day with my inbox saying “ cum c me ”… I know what you’re trying to do, bro, but damn. We are young and old all at the same time.

Interesting. I am a millennial and I never did this, nor did I have any friends that did. But I know m nephews deliberately turn off the auto edit in there iphones.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#135

But where's the added value? You can book a meeting yourself. You can quickly add items to the freezer. Everything that was described in the article can be done in about the same amount of time as checking with Clawdbot. There are apps that track parcel delivery and support every courier service.

Almost everything described in the post, amounts to a few hours in total in a given year to do "manually". I agree, there isn't compelling value (yet).

What's puzzling to me is that there's little consideration of what one is trading away for this purported "value". Doing menial tasks is a respite for your brain to process things in the background. Its an opportunity to generate new thoughts. It reminds you of your own agency in life. It allows you to recognise small patterns and relate to other people.

I don't want AI to summarise chats. It robs me the opportunity to know about something from someone's own words, therefore giving a small glimpse in their personality. This paints a picture over time, adding (or not) to the desire to interact with that person in the future. If I'm not going to see a chat anyway, then that creates the possibility of me finding something new in the future. A small moment of wonder for me and satisfaction for the person who brought me that new information.

etc etc.

Its like they're trying to outsource living.

Maybe the story is that, outsourcing this will free them up to do more meaningful things. I've yet to see any evidence of this. What are these people even talking about on the coffee chats scheduled by the helpful assistant?

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#136
post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

You mention the technical aspect (readability) and others have suggested the aesthetic, but you could also look at it as a form of rhetoric . I'm not sure it's really effective because it sort of grates on the ear for anyone over 35, but maybe there's a point in distinguishing itself from AI sloptext. Incidentally, millenials also used the "no caps" style but mainly for "marginalia" (at most paragraph-length notes, o…

nobody shouts in lowercase—it whispers its way into being, a small insurgency against The Proper Way To Speak ; )

-- inspired by e.e. cummings!

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a gen z trend. My nephews do the same. We are old.

It’s older than that - lots of my boomer bosses did it to seem cool over email in the late 90s. I viscerally remember starting my day with my inbox saying “ cum c me ”… I know what you’re trying to do, bro, but damn. We are young and old all at the same time.

I remember hearing that people used it as a way to signal that they were too busy, too on the go, too important to use proper punctuation..it was an obnoxious c suite trend as long as I can remember. Like you're always trying to signal that you were doing all of your comms from your cell phone between meetings/travelling. Given this article's tone and content I would say that what the author is trying to emulate or convey , maybe subconciously.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#138
post #66

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I've seen this before, I know Sam Altman does it (or used to do it). That was a couple years ago. Hope it doesn't become a trend.

Unfortunately it has become quite common on HN already. It comes from people growing up on smartphone chats where the kids apparently don’t care to press Shift.

I've already written an extension that filters these comments intelligently. (E.g., quotes are ignored but if the rest of the body is all lowercase it is collapsed.)

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#139
What strikes me here is the extreme noise. I mean, I’m 50+ so you know, but even so, this shit doesn’t make sense. To be living a life where you’re checking messaging groups for 100+ messages a day, needing some kind of bot to manage your (obviously extremely traffic’d) texts incoming, to be watching tens of prices of stocks, products, meeting, what, tens of people a day (as an introvert…)…

Holy shit, fuck that. Slow the bejesus down and live a little. Go look at the sky.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

#140
post #57
post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

I really dislike it too. I think it might be adults ignoring established grammar rules to make a statement about how they identify a part of a group of AI evangelists. Kind of like how teenagers do nonsensical things like where thick heavy clothing regardless of the weather to indicate how much of a badass them and their other badass coat wearing friends are. To normal humans, they look ridiculous, but they think the…

can't imagine getting this riled up over lowercase text. some serious fist-shaking-at-clouds energy.

it's meant to convey a casual, laid back tone - it's not that big of a deal.

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