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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by GrinningFool »

bartread wrote: post #91
zkmon wrote: post #21

Too little, too late.

Yeah, and you know how to know this is true? This story has already dropped three quarters of the way down the front page and has a grand total of 72 points. Topics that people really give a damn about on this site often garner 1000 - 2000 points and stay on the front page for 36 hours or more, but nobody cares about this. They’ve already lost the HN audience and there’s certainly an element of where we go everybody…

Did they ever have the hn audience? Over the years I've gotten the impression most folks here are primarily Mac and Linux for daily drivers.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by major505 »

In the end is hardto see why they banked so heavy into it. When open AI started t o make promisses and everybody saw what it could do, Microsoft invested heavily on it, seeing some of the largest increase in its shares, and in consequence on big fat bonus for its executives.

NOw that the hype is naturally going down, and people are encountering limitations in what modern AI can do, and having more realistic expectations, Microsoft hype train stoped in middle of the hill climb.

They pretty much exchanged gradual increases in revenue for a quick but ultimally short term profit.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by accrual »

joe_mamba wrote: post #86
Sharlin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike IE, the NT kernel was never bad and is still (presumably) in a pretty good shape. It's the userland that's gone insane. Someone should just port the Windows 7 shell to the newest kernel and call it a day.

>Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie What exactly was wrong with Edge Legacy(not IE) based on their own engine that they need to fix, and why was Chromium a sweet taste? AFAIk Edge Legacy was kicking ass in all benchmarks. Their only achilles heel was Google messing up Youtube and G-apps to break they way they got displayed on Edge LEgacy forcing users to switch to…

I was playing with the RTM release of Windows 10 which came with the "new Edge" browser (post-IE, pre-Chromium). It's a cool piece of software, very slick and minimal browser UI and not a hint of Copilot anywhere (since that would come ~8 years later).

I imagine it was not as compatible and it was less work to simply rebrand Chromium as Edge.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by eviks »

Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> Even if we accept at face value that AI has made generation of code significantly cheaper, that doesn't justify the existence of worthless code.

It does, imagine how much faster it's going to be in the next model version!

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by joe_mamba »

vachina wrote: post #120
joe_mamba wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie What exactly was wrong with Edge Legacy(not IE) based on their own engine that they need to fix, and why was Chromium a sweet taste? AFAIk Edge Legacy was kicking ass in all benchmarks. Their only achilles heel was Google messing up Youtube and G-apps to break they way they got displayed on Edge LEgacy forcing users to switch to…

> What exactly was wrong with Edge(not IE) The constant fear of having Copilot shoved down your throat whenever you close and update Edge. And Microsoft homepage. > why was Chromium a sweet taste? Do zero of the heavy work maintaining a browser engine. Do maximum (little) work of adding AI slop.

>The constant fear of having Copilot shoved down your throat whenever you close and update Edge.

Copilot only cam after they switched Edge Legacy to Edge Chromium.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by raffael_de »

pixelpoet wrote: post #17
Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

> because literally a Labrador licking his balls all day would have resulted in a better outcome.

Where I come from we prefer monkeys throwing darts.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by Pay08 »

major505 wrote: post #133

In the end is hardto see why they banked so heavy into it. When open AI started t o make promisses and everybody saw what it could do, Microsoft invested heavily on it, seeing some of the largest increase in its shares, and in consequence on big fat bonus for its executives. NOw that the hype is naturally going down, and people are encountering limitations in what modern AI can do, and having more realistic expectati…

I genuinely think that an "agentic" (I hate that word) OS would be incredibly useful. But both how Copilot was integrated into Windows and it simply being a terrible model destroyed that possibility.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by markus_zhang »

theYipster wrote: post #123
markus_zhang wrote: post #98

As a side topic, I wish we still had something like Windows 3.1/95/98, that has a touch of personal usage (focuses on multimedia/gaming instead of business/server). Do you still remember Microsoft Home? My first Windows gaming experience, other than Minesweeper and Solitaire ofc, was the Fury3 demo, which contains only one level from the licensed game, on a Windows 95 Home Entertainment CD. There were also Encarta an…

I love the care and polish that went into the Microsoft Windows XP Welcome/Tour app that played after install. That was the peak of the summit—quality wise.

Yeah, there was a lot of good memories. And it does have a 64-bit version so not a too-bad option as a retro-OS. But I think we need to find retro hardware for it to work properly.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by elboru »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #82
Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

>Taste comes from knowing what not to build. Jobs was correct when he said that Microsoft has no taste.

And now Apple started to lose it.
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