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Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by jeroenhd »

atheris wrote: post #78

What are the alternative steps that we can take in Android? How to check if it is happening?

I don't believe there is a way to intentionally break this system, nor to detect with 100% certainty that it's happening.

You'd need to run an open source baseband modem with settings and logs in all the right places. I don't think those exist.

Someone might be able to exploit the Linux kernel running on Qualcomm modems and build a tool for rooted Android phones after reverse engineering the baseband, but I imagine a lot of copyright lawyers and probably law enforcement people will send you very scary letters if you document remote location tracking features like these.

Also, if you have any 4G or 5G modem, your carrier already has a pretty good idea where you are. They probably log your location too. The advanced precision and timing information necessary for high speed cellular broadband is enough to get a decent location log. That also includes other connected devices such as cars, of course.

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Post by noja »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #40

This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

Is it open source?

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by mlfreeman »

spwa4 wrote: post #117
nichos wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would ask for your source

How that works is simple: there are regulations that force that the microphone used for calling is directly connected to the "baseband", which is under control of the carrier. It has to be, because of AT&T's argument: ONE misbehaving baseband can make cell phones inoperable in an area that's up to a kilometer in diameter. So AT&T's cell towers "need" to be able to send out a signal that permanently disables a phone's…

Please provide links to the relevant regulations from an actual government website such as eCFR in the US (https://www.ecfr.gov/)

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

Etheryte wrote: post #15
kayodelycaon wrote: post #3

Emergency services (with the proper software) have been able to get your precise location from your phone for a while now. This isn’t a new capability and shouldn’t be surprising.

None of this should be happening without the user's knowledge and consent. Swap out your phone carrier for Facebook and it should be plainly obvious why the current state of affairs is undesirable.

What is it’s a mentally ill person who is about to kill themself?

That’s the majority of uses for the system in the UK. People love to run away and waste police time.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by krater23 »

roywiggins wrote: post #24
webstrand wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? If the device is connected to a cell, they can still triangulate it just like normal.

In an emergency you might really want GPS precision.

Which emergency can happen that I really want this? And now don't say suicide attempt. Nearby all emergencies that could happen where someone needs my exact position are things that would additionally lead to a loss of the base connection or a switched off smart phone.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by karlgkk »

elnerd wrote: post #66
grepfru_it wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great for small networks. Once bad actors find it, it will be attacked. See gnutella as the case study on unsupervised peer to peer networks

I just read gnutella page on Wikipedia, no mention of bad actors

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Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by runjake »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #92
Frost1x wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really have a societal problem in that we allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Furthermore, the issue is exacerbated by then allowing governments to bypass these issues by then just paying private entities to do the things it can’t do as a proxy for the same functional outcomes. But we want to support privatization at all cost, even when privatization these days has significant infl…

> We really have a societal problem in that we allow private entities to do things we don’t allow government to do. Thats basically the foundational idealogy of the united states. Thats not the issue. The real issue is your next sentence. The government can just loophole around their intentional limitations by paying private companies to work on their behalf.

It's a loophole, but it's willful by design on the government's part. The book "Means of Control" by Byron Tau covers this in great depth.

It's so much worse than even those of us who are moderately interested in mass surveillance know.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by subscribed »

wisplike wrote: post #74
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #40

This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

Why Meshcore over Meshtastic?

Meshtastic has terrible defaults (every node rebroadcasts everything, every node sends telemetry), which makes sense in the backwoods but not anywhere close to civilisation.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by mcculley »

metaphor wrote: post #110
mcculley wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What magical technology do you think would beat GPS?

Who said anything about beating GPS or other functionally equivalent GNSS?

I am not sure that we are in the same conversation. I misinterpreted your reply to my comment as having something to do with it.
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