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Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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So how many dozens of organizations can you work for?

More and more every day. https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/01/27/france-to-ditch-us-...

> More and more every day.

That's not a bad thing.

But I think its totally unrealistic and impractical to deal with this kind of thing by being so choosy that you won't work for an org that uses Microsoft. Actually acting that way probably just means choosing to be unemployed (for the vast majority, at least).

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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I was wondering if there was more Microsoft has said/used to say about this feature because it leaves a gap between "connect to your organizations Wi-Fi" and "will show you're connected to Starbucks/Home and what that SSID is". I followed several articles and the tree I found seems to end with this Neowin article https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-delays-controversial-l... but it doesn't actully clear up the sourc…

Yeah, I couldn't find any sources that weren't rage-bait either. Honestly, to me the feature seems so incredibly low-functionality that I'm surprised they're pushing it forward after all of the controversy it's generated. Like, sure, it might be nice to see if someone was out to lunch or in Building 17 or whatever without needing to message them, but at the cost of the whole "teams is spying on you" narrative and yuc…

Hell, if you're using Teams PSTN calling, your location has to be pulled in by Teams for e911 compliance anyways down to the building. It updates automatically already, even!

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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They don't need a reason to fire you. They need a reason to fire you and not pay unemployment benefits.

unemployment benefits are so low do they really care that much? Unemployment benefits for me would be 3% annually of my annual salary.

Unemployment benefits are so low, they're barely enough to pay for food. Not enough to also pay for utilities, and definitely not enough to pay rent/mortgage.

This is intended to force you back into the slave market.

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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FTA > Remember when you could text Dave from the office to turn your PC on because you were stuck in traffic? I honestly don't. This was a thing? Why? > So if you decide to take a "working lunch" and connect to "Starbucks_Guest_WiFi", your boss sees it instantly. I would have a lot of fun with "creative" names for my Wi-fi network.

This doesn't make any sense. In any organization with a remotely capable IT, you'll still need to log in with your own account. If you give someone else your password to log in... there is a bigger problem.

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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post #127

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I was wondering if there was more Microsoft has said/used to say about this feature because it leaves a gap between "connect to your organizations Wi-Fi" and "will show you're connected to Starbucks/Home and what that SSID is". I followed several articles and the tree I found seems to end with this Neowin article https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-delays-controversial-l... but it doesn't actully clear up the sourc…

Is the answer to buy a travel router and give it the same SSID as another network, either work or home? Or is this doing something more sophisticated than SSID snooping?

Nobody knows, as far as I can tell; I haven't found any actual sources and I don't think the code is present in a public release anywhere for anyone to look at. I'm assuming it must work off of MAC at a minimum, since most offices have the same SSID across buildings. It doesn't really seem "designed" as a spyware/audit feature, since it would be a terrible flimsy one, but it also just doesn't seem that useful compared to the "yuck" factor it generates and the potential for abuse by crappy employers/managers.

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I truly believe our industry needs to elevate our own anti-awards, like others have (Razzies, Worst Game of the Year, etc.) to shame those responsible for building the regressive tech that corporations and governments push. There's already the Big Brother Awards [0] and EFF's smattering of Worst Government and Worst Data Breach articles each year. [1] But I think we need more. Personally I would love to nominate: - M…

>- Latanya Sweeney and Alexandre de Montjoye for their contributions to re-identification of anonymized data

It seems like highlighting how anonymization is a lot harder than a lot of people assume is a really useful service. If researchers can do it, without any particular secret sauce, so can a lot of other people. (Unless I'm totally misunderstanding your comment.)

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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The roadmap description is not really specific enough to either back up what the article is saying or describe if this approach would/wouldn't do anything, so I'm wondering the same kinds of things. If I were to try to implement the given task description, I'd start with assuming this would need to be "Enterprise gives an exports of BSSIDs and locations, Teams uses that table to set the location when you connect to y…

> If it really is SSID based, the feature would be relatively useless for most organizations even before discussion trying to spoof it. E.g. the last place I worked had ~3,500 physical addresses with APs (and many more individual buildings/"office" names), all with the same "Corp_Name_Employee" SSID because otherwise it's way more work to have unique SSIDs. So how would this feature even do what it's supposed to do b…

That's what I'm thinking. BSSID ~= "AP MAC Address" it's just each (SSID, frequency) tuple the AP advertises has a different BSSID/MAC rather than a single shared one per AP.

E.g. in the above deployment each Aruba AP could have up to 16 BSSIDs/MACs per radio, but we really had an average of ~5 in use per band at any given site. So a single 2.4 GHz + 5 GHz AP would have 10ish BSSIDs/MACs associated with it in the export (which would then roll up to be BSSIDs/MACs at that office).

Then any of the SSID stuff seems to be more pure speculation (at least from what I've been able to find sourced from Microsoft so far, they are very light on details). Maybe tEAMS does something with SSID, maybe it doesn't - but the roadmap item doesn't even mention that half of the behavior at all, the Neowin article at least looks to be just inserting stuff about SSIDs without any source (and this site doesn't seem to source much at all). It certainly could use SSID as a fallback when there is no location, but where are the articles finding the plan actually has anything about doing that and why would it help more than setting the status to "Remote".

At the end of the day BSSID isn't unspoofable either (companies that care that much probably just want mobile device management or to look at the wireless controller itself), but it at least enables the actual goal of saying which office to be achieved.

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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Yeah, I couldn't find any sources that weren't rage-bait either. Honestly, to me the feature seems so incredibly low-functionality that I'm surprised they're pushing it forward after all of the controversy it's generated. Like, sure, it might be nice to see if someone was out to lunch or in Building 17 or whatever without needing to message them, but at the cost of the whole "teams is spying on you" narrative and yuc…

Hell, if you're using Teams PSTN calling, your location has to be pulled in by Teams for e911 compliance anyways down to the building. It updates automatically already, even!

Sure, and your corporate IT also have the roaming logs from their APs and the access logs from the VPN (and maybe your location from MDM anyway), but it doesn't get shown to your boss and coworkers in real time, probably, unless your company is structured really weirdly.

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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This screams E911 compliance than stalker-ware but I could definitely be wrong. I know E911 was a big deal in the telephony world and since Teams is a phone service, this makes sense. I don't like it but it makes sense.

I am doubtful that Teams is going to fire off an e911 address change request to a vendor such as Intrado/West or Sinch every time you change WiFi.

Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering if there was more Microsoft has said/used to say about this feature because it leaves a gap between "connect to your organizations Wi-Fi" and "will show you're connected to Starbucks/Home and what that SSID is". I followed several articles and the tree I found seems to end with this Neowin article https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-delays-controversial-l... but it doesn't actully clear up the sourc…

Yeah, I couldn't find any sources that weren't rage-bait either. Honestly, to me the feature seems so incredibly low-functionality that I'm surprised they're pushing it forward after all of the controversy it's generated. Like, sure, it might be nice to see if someone was out to lunch or in Building 17 or whatever without needing to message them, but at the cost of the whole "teams is spying on you" narrative and yuc…

I think I agree. Of all things MS does, this is relatively small potatoes. It a soft creep, but also a gentle reminder that I need to somehow get out of my position, do wfh where I control my environment better ( likely my own business ), or try to convince bosses that we should move away from Windows ( as impossible as sell now as it ever was ).
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