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Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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Odd - I just get redirected to coinreads - no chance to view the legalreads page, which I then mistook for a domain squatters site. I see that it does infact work - though from the content it doesn't seem exactly 'legal'.

It absolutely is not legal.

Hey look on the bright side at least they wont brick your device and steal content you paid for (See topic)

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I have a Kindle and never read nor use any DRM books. You don't need to use Amazon's software or service or anything. You can convert files into .mobi format using open source tools and use a programme like Calibre or just put the files in the "documents" folder of the Kindle to load them. Using a Kindle without DRM is very possible. If you turn off wireless, then it will never try to do any software updating.

What is the point of buying a Kindle then? You could have bought one of the many ebook readers available out there. What about a Kobo? Or a stylish Sony PRS? A small Booken? A feature-packed Onyx? An hackable iRiver Story? Why giving money to Amazon in the first place if you do not agree with their core business practice?

Christmas Present. ☺

Also, not all books on Amazon's Kindle store have DRM. I can buy them.

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You did purchase the book. It says "Buy" on the website. Amazon: "Would you like to Buy this book for your Kindle?" Customer: "Yes" click Looks like a sale to me. They don't use the word "Rent" or "Borrow". You "buy" it.

Trouble is, you are bound by the license agreement, not by the text on the buttons, as the Conditions of Use and Sale makes clear, which is linked to on every page of Amazon's site.

Unless a judge decides that due to the manner in which it's sold, that it constitutes a sale under the law, and hence all your normal "I've bought a thing" rights come into play. Anything in the T&Cs that takes away the rights the law gives is hence null and invalid.

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Indeed. But don't expect the sort of person whose battle cry w/re to RS is "But he's so unkempt!" to acknowledge that he tends to be correct.

Do you think that if stallman cut his hair and put on a suit his message would be better received?

Yes. At the very least he would be less easily dismissed.

I very much agree with his ideals, but his insistence on living completely outside the system diminishes his effectiveness in changing it.

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an increased number of stories like this will make the book pirating underground a lot more attractive to a wider audience. it exists, it's not quite napster-like yet but it's getting there. no DRM, a potentially wider catalog, etc. this is a risk for publishers and loss-leaders (like amazon) alike.

you mean something like http://tuebl.com ?

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A bit of catch 22 really. If they have inaccurately linked you with a fraudulent user and they accuse you of having committed fraud, they've just defamed your character. If they were in the U.S. I'd be suggesting they lawyer up.

Defamy wouldn't apply as it's a private relationship. They're not broadcasting to the world that they think you're a con, they're just telling you... Which is fine.

Depends. In the EU, companies are legally required to store personal data accurately. It doesn't matter if they don't tell anyone (in fact often they cannot tell people, privacy and all that). If you tell them that personal data they have one you is incorrect, they are legally required to correct it. So yes, if the data is wrong, they might be breaking the law.

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Its getting to the point where I am seriously considering closing my Amazon account. I just don't like the way it does business any more. Can anyone recommend a good online bookseller in the UK? Is Waterstones any good? The Guardian is running a story [1] today about how Amazon forces publishers to cover the cost of 20% VAT (sales tax) on ebook sales, even though it only pays 3% to the Luxembourg government (where it…

Every week there is a story in the UK press about how company A is not paying tax in the UK. This is not unique to Amazon. Vodafone, Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Apple, ...

It's funny that then people give out about small countries that have lower coporation tax (e.g. Ireland). If companies in "non-low-tax" countries like UK don't pay any tax, why give out to low-tax countries?

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First, it's important to note that we don't have very much information yet. Given what I've read so far, I assume stupidity on the part of Amazon. Before everyone starts hating on Amazon specifically, remember that this same thing would happen with Apple, Xbox Live, or Barnes & Noble accounts. It's not that all these companies want to have DRM. It's the content owners who dictate the terms of licensing.

Even if Amazon is completely justified in the actions they took, their complete lack of transparency or accountability to the customer is worrying to me.
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