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My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by pigpop »

thewebguyd wrote: post #56
HPsquared wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the computer is the bicycle of the mind, GenAI is a motor vehicle. Very powerful and transformative, but it's also possible to get into trouble.

A stark difference with that analogy is that with a bicycle, the human is still doing quite a bit of work themselves. The bicycle amplifies the human effort, whereas with a motor vehicle, the vehicle replaces the human effort entirely. No strong opinion on if that's good or bad long term, as humans have been outsourcing portions of their thinking for a really long time, but it's interesting to think about.

The analogy is pretty apt but you should keep in mind that a human is still doing work when driving a motor vehicle. The motor completely replaces the muscular effort needed to move from point A to point B but it requires the person to become a pilot and an operator of that machine so they can direct it where to go. It also introduces an entirely new set of rules and constraints necessary to avoid much more consequential accidents i.e. you can get to your destination much faster and with little effort but you can also get into a serious accident much faster and with little effort.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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MisterTea wrote: post #66
kingstnap wrote: post #12

> she said she was aware that DeepSeek had given her contradictory advice. She understood that chatbots were trained on data from across the internet, she told me, and did not represent an absolute truth or superhuman authority With highly lucid people like the author's mom I'm not too worried about Dr. Deepseek. I'm actually incredibly bullish on the fact that AI models are, as the article describes, superhumanly em…

> They are infinitely patient, infinitely available, and unbelievably knowledgeable, it really is miraculous. This is a strange way to talk about a computer program following its programming. I see no miracle here.

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Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by reenorap »

3rodents wrote: post #49
yunohn wrote: post #42

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> Why do high blood sugar levels matter? Are you asking why a side effect that is actually an entire health problem on its own, is a problem? Especially when there is a replacement that doesn’t cause it?

Side effects do not exist in isolation. High blood sugar is not a problem if it is solving a much bigger health issue, or is a lesser side effect than something more serious. If medication A causes high blood sugar but medication B has a chance of causing blood clots, medication A is an obvious choice. If a patient gets it in their head that their high blood sugar is a problem to solve, ChatGPT is going to reinforce…

I have type 2 diabetes. Blood sugar levels are a concern for me. I switched medications to one that was equally benign and got my blood sugar levels decreased along with my blood pressure. I don’t know why you assume that the medication I switched to might have higher or worse side effects. That wasn’t a choice I had to make given the options I was presented with.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by pigpop »

dfxm12 wrote: post #125
pigpop wrote: post #122

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Shortages of doctors have many causes that differ based on the country. While paying them more may help in some countries you also have to figure out how to convince doctors to live in smaller towns and cities and in less desirable provinces/states within a country. The source of the problem is that doctors are people and people have their own preferences and motivations for doing the things they do. Trying to convin…

A state should work to ensure everyone lives in a desirable area, doctors & patients.

I don't see how this is possible with the use of the state or not. I mean, I can throw out some ridiculous sci-fi ideas like geo-engineering and megaprojects that give every region the perfect balance of temperate seasons, agricultural productivity and variety, access to functional and esthetically pleasing waterways and pastoral landscapes that would make them all equally attractive places for people to live but that's just the definition of a utopia that will never exist.

You're also just copping out by saying "the state should handle it", who and what do you think the state is? It may come as a surprise that it's just a bunch of people who are just as imperfect and limited in their abilities as the rest. They can't simply wave their hands and make everyone happy. It make about as much sense as saying "Microsoft should handle it" or "the Catholic Church should handle it".

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by jimmydoe »

District5524 wrote: post #116

I don't understand: if there is a shortage of doctors, why are we trying to solve that by training AI models modelled on influencers that spits out (hopefully improving) advice at 10x the rate of a human doctor? Is it impossible for highly advanced societies like ours to pay more for people to get trained as doctors, nurses or whatever is missing? Or to convince them to choose a profession that deals with other human…

Who is “we” here? Your healthcare needs are fulfilled by corporations, they are by design looking for scalable solutions with less human involved as possible.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by skybrian »

thewebguyd wrote: post #56
HPsquared wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the computer is the bicycle of the mind, GenAI is a motor vehicle. Very powerful and transformative, but it's also possible to get into trouble.

A stark difference with that analogy is that with a bicycle, the human is still doing quite a bit of work themselves. The bicycle amplifies the human effort, whereas with a motor vehicle, the vehicle replaces the human effort entirely. No strong opinion on if that's good or bad long term, as humans have been outsourcing portions of their thinking for a really long time, but it's interesting to think about.

I wouldn't say it replaces all effort unless it's a self-driving car.

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by PeterStuer »

District5524 wrote: post #116

I don't understand: if there is a shortage of doctors, why are we trying to solve that by training AI models modelled on influencers that spits out (hopefully improving) advice at 10x the rate of a human doctor? Is it impossible for highly advanced societies like ours to pay more for people to get trained as doctors, nurses or whatever is missing? Or to convince them to choose a profession that deals with other human…

I remember as a kid being ill, you just called the doctor and they came to your house the same day, and you could just go to the doctor's practice hours without an appointment and sit their waiting your turn.

Now, I have to book an appointment online and the first available slot is in 2 weeks if lucky.

What exactly changed?

Re: My Mom and Dr. DeepSeek (2025)

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Post by 542354234235 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #56
HPsquared wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the computer is the bicycle of the mind, GenAI is a motor vehicle. Very powerful and transformative, but it's also possible to get into trouble.

A stark difference with that analogy is that with a bicycle, the human is still doing quite a bit of work themselves. The bicycle amplifies the human effort, whereas with a motor vehicle, the vehicle replaces the human effort entirely. No strong opinion on if that's good or bad long term, as humans have been outsourcing portions of their thinking for a really long time, but it's interesting to think about.

You could also extend the analogy. Designing cities around cars results in a very different city than designing around pedestrians and bikes, as well as cars. Paris and Dallas as random examples of cities designed at the far end of both extremes and are very different. Prioritizing AI and integrating AI as one tool will give us very different societies.
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