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Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by Analemma_ »

azan_ wrote: post #40
anonymous908213 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The secret is that it doesn't work. None of these people have built real software that anyone outside their bubble uses. They are not replacing anyone, they are just off in their own corner building sand castles.

> The secret is that it doesn't work. I have 100% vibecoded software that I now use instead of commercial implementation that cost me almost 200 usd a month (tool for radiology dictation and report generation).

Vibe-coded radiology reports, finally the 21st century will get its own Therac-25 incident.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by causalmodels »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #49
causalmodels wrote: post #31

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Ok but this entire idea is very new. Its not an honest criticism to say no one has tried the new idea when they are actively doing it. Honestly I don't get the hostility. Yegge is running an experiment. I don't think it will work, but it will be interesting and informative to watch.

The 'experiment' isn't the issue. The problem is the entire culture around it. LLM tools are being shoved into everything , LLMs are soaking up trillions in investment, engineers are being told over and over that everything has changed and this garbage is making us obsolete, software quality is decreasing where wide LLM usage is being mandated (eg. Microsoft). Gas Town does not give the vibe of a neutral experiment b…

I share the frustration with the hype machine. I just don't think a guy with a blog is an appropriate target for our frustration with corporate hype culture.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by mrkeen »

bdcravens wrote: post #68
mediaman wrote: post #46

I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. Fear over what it means if it works.

I work in a typical web app company which does accounting/banking etc.

A couple of days ago I was sitting in a meeting of 10-15 devs, discussing our AI agents. People were raising issues and brainstorming ways around the problems with AI. How to make the AI better.

Our devs were occupied doing AI things, not accounting/banking things.

If the time savings were as promised, we should have been 3 devs (with the remaining devs replaced by 7-10 AI agents) discussing accounting/banking.

If Gas Town succeeds, it will just be the next toy we play with instead of doing our jobs.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by habinero »

kaydub wrote: post #54
suriya-ganesh wrote: post #7

>Yegge is leaning into the true definition of vibecoding with this project: “It is 100% vibecoded. I’ve never seen the code, and I never care to.” I don't get it. Even with a very good understanding of what type of work I am doing and a prebuilt knowledge of the code, even for very well specced problem. Claude code etc. just plain fail or use sloppy code. How do these industry figures claim they see no part of a 225K…

I don't get you guys that are getting such bad results. Are you guys just trying to one shot stuff? Are you not using agents to iterate on things? Are you not putting agents against each other (have one code, one critique/test the code, and put them in a loop)? I still look at the code that's produced, I'm not THAT far down the "vibe coding" path that I'm trusting everything being produced, but I get phenomenal resul…

It lets 0.05X developers be 0.2X developers and 1X developers be 0.9-1.1X developers.

The problem is some 0.05X developers thought they were 0.5X and now they think they're 2X.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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suriya-ganesh wrote: post #7

>Yegge is leaning into the true definition of vibecoding with this project: “It is 100% vibecoded. I’ve never seen the code, and I never care to.” I don't get it. Even with a very good understanding of what type of work I am doing and a prebuilt knowledge of the code, even for very well specced problem. Claude code etc. just plain fail or use sloppy code. How do these industry figures claim they see no part of a 225K…

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by aaa_aaa »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #64

If it's stupid, but it works, it isn't stupid. Gas town transcends stupid. It is an abstract garbage generator. Call it art, call it an experiment, but you cannot call it a solution to a problem by any definition of the word.

It is simply because Mr. Yegge is seeking attention. As he always did.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #127
hyperpape wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

Keep in mind that Steve has LLMs write his posts on that blog. Things said there may not reflect his actual thoughts on the subject(s) at hand.

Is this confirmed true? Yegge has a very very long history of writing absurdly long posts / rants.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by roberttod »

fragmede wrote: post #113
roberttod wrote: post #62

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It's unintuitive, but having an llm verification loop like a code reviewer works impeccably well, you can even create dedicated agents to check for specific problem areas like poor error handling. This isn't about anthropomorphism, it's context engineering. By breaking things into more agents, you get more focused context windows. I believe gas town has some review process built in, but my comment is more to address…

> it's mostly higher level and architectural things they need guidance on Any examples you can share?

Mostly, it's not the model that is lacking but the visibility it has. Often the top level business context for a problem is out of reach, spread across slack, email, internal knowledge and meetings.

Once I digest some of this and give it to Claude, it's mostly smooth sailing but then the context window becomes the problem. Compactions during implementation remove a lot of important info. There should really be a Claude monitoring top level context and passing work to agents. I'm currently figuring out how to orchastrate that nicely with Claude Code MD files.

With respect to architecture, it generally makes sound decisions but I want to tweak it, often trading off simplicity vs. security and scale. These decisions seem very subtle and likely include some personal preferences I haven't written anywhere.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by usefulcat »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #127
hyperpape wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

Keep in mind that Steve has LLMs write his posts on that blog. Things said there may not reflect his actual thoughts on the subject(s) at hand.

There's a rather fine line between "don't believe everything you read" and "don't believe anything you read". At least in this case.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by habinero »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #24
suriya-ganesh wrote: post #7

>Yegge is leaning into the true definition of vibecoding with this project: “It is 100% vibecoded. I’ve never seen the code, and I never care to.” I don't get it. Even with a very good understanding of what type of work I am doing and a prebuilt knowledge of the code, even for very well specced problem. Claude code etc. just plain fail or use sloppy code. How do these industry figures claim they see no part of a 225K…

Do you understand at a molecular level how cooking works? Or do you just do some rote actions according to instructions? How do you know if your cooking worked properly without understanding chemistry? Without looking at its components under a microscope? Simple: you follow the directions, eat the food, and if it tastes good, it worked. If cooks don't understand physics, chemistry, biology, etc, how do all the cooks…

That's a terrible analogy lol.

1. Chefs do learn the chemistry, at least enough to know why their techniques work.

2. Food scientist is a real job

3. The supply chain absolutely does have scientists involved in day to day operations lol.

A better analogy is just shoving the entire contents of the fridge into a pot, plastic containers and all, and assuming it'll be fine.

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