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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by embedding-shape »

vldszn wrote: post #73
s_dev wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a cool project but it is 'niche'. I think the purpose of the site is more about the alternatives to 'large players', platforms and infrastructure companies. Still Constantin Graf should have clarified out of politeness but possibly he's busy or doesn't have time to respond to every email. However I'd point out there is a market for European 'Product Hunt' that would include more of these smaller projects.

Thanks for the comment. I hadn’t thought about this before, but it makes sense - I agree. About European Product Hunt - very good idea. I was thinking recently that we need more European social networks, messengers, etc. It’s a very good time to build imo =)

> About European Product Hunt - very good idea.

Older members of HN will remember that Product Hunt probably came to life a lot because of HN and the submissions/comments from rrhoover (founder of Product Hunt). He's still active here, but before/during Product Hunt launch he was very active if I remember correctly.

Maybe a grander idea is a European Hacker News, that has the potential to spawn the European Product Hunts of tomorrow :)

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by jacquesm »

yabones wrote: post #130
jacquesm wrote: post #127

This list is very impressive, but it is the wrong approach. We simply need an EU alternative to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon etc. The closer to a drop-in replacement the better. Tying all of these functional bits and pieces together to form a consistent whole is just not going to happen. You need to approach this on a per-company level. So, who will step up to the plate and re-implement as much…

Isn't massive tech conglomerates locking people into their ecosystems how we got here in the first place? The quest to replace US with EU products is really just treating symptoms of the problems that tech has created in the past 2-3 decades.

Yes, but the cost-to-switch is more important right now than the details, the bigger fear I have is that if such an EU alternative is successful that the US incumbents will swoop in and buy it and then you're back to square 1. That has happened quite a few times already.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by mixmastamyk »

jacquesm wrote: post #127

This list is very impressive, but it is the wrong approach. We simply need an EU alternative to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon etc. The closer to a drop-in replacement the better. Tying all of these functional bits and pieces together to form a consistent whole is just not going to happen. You need to approach this on a per-company level. So, who will step up to the plate and re-implement as much…

A few friends and I have thought similarly, although we focused on Apple first and the Google/Office suite second. We wrote our thoughts here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/ and the alternatives here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html

I personally don't think it makes a lot of sense for consumers or small business to have to wrangle dozens of IT providers. How can we consolidate them?

Re: European Alternatives

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retired wrote: post #15
tarkin2 wrote: post #9

Using a French server has been a pain. Their level of customer service is much worse than that in the US sadly

I like it. No fake smiles, no tip required. They can be a bit grumpy but French food is amazing which makes up for it.

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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by rambambram »

The open web is your European alternative, not the Silicon Valley-approach but then in Europe. That just invites the same abuse of data, the same enshittification and the same rent-seeking behavior.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by badsectoracula »

pjmlp wrote: post #8

Categories missing: - Operating systems, for various kinds of workloads - Programming language toolchains - Hardware vendors

FWIW Free Pascal and Lazarus communities and developers are largely European and there isn't a single company behind them. Though at the same time there are also several devs from outside EU so i do not think it can be called a "EU alternative" - which is the case for most FLOSS projects actually.

Some projects, especially high profile ones, do have US companies behind them (e.g. Google, etc) so you could claim they are US-centric, but at this point it becomes a question of why you are looking for an EU alternative. If it is to help EU businesses (like others mentioned), then unless you financially support these US companies (either directly or indirectly via, e.g., your data) it doesn't matter if the FLOSS project you are using is made by them or not.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by jacquesm »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #133
jacquesm wrote: post #127

This list is very impressive, but it is the wrong approach. We simply need an EU alternative to Google, Microsoft, Apple, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon etc. The closer to a drop-in replacement the better. Tying all of these functional bits and pieces together to form a consistent whole is just not going to happen. You need to approach this on a per-company level. So, who will step up to the plate and re-implement as much…

A few friends and I have thought similarly, although we focused on Apple first and the Google/Office suite second. We wrote our thoughts here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/ and the alternatives here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html I personally don't think it makes a lot of sense for consumers or small business to have to wrangle dozens of IT providers. How can we consolidate them?

Excellent question and great to see you thinking in the same direction.

Consolidation of various open source projects is underway with projects such as owncloud but it is still very fragile and hard to maintain.

I think a pledge never to be bought out and a way to restrict stock to EU UBOs would be one step in the right direction, then you'll need a massive amount of capital to pull this off. But maybe the climate is finally right to raise a proper amount of money for such an undertaking.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by bildung »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #55

Ugh, back to nationalism. I think there is some sort of Darwinistic reason for this. Maybe its inevitable. Not to say that the US didn't help spur this, but its just sad to see. When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism. Even as Trump started getting aggressive, I kept trying to tell myself: "Well, these other countries surly know that most of the population d…

People in the US need to become more aware of the dramatic impact this current administration has on the world. A paper in the Lancet, not exactly your average leftie rag, extrapolates the deaths resulting from the sudden USAID defunding to amount to about 14 million people. That's about 10x Pol Pot.

People around the world distancing themselves from these actions is hardly nationalism.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by timeon »

drnick1 wrote: post #87
nolok wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of things wrong is impressive You're confusing Europe and the EU You're forgetting about Ireland and Malta You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others

> You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others Yes, and that's precisely the irony. Europeans still need to subject themselves to Anglo "cultural imperialism" or absolutely nothing works, starting with communication across national borders.

We actually already use Globish that has different idioms and so on. End we can express different kind of informations there.
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