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Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by BigPaPaYEAAA »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #103
eightman wrote: post #21

The use case for AI is spam

spam implies low effort BS used in a low-hanging-fruit sense LLMs will be used for aggressive, yet incredibly subtle manipulation, consensus building, and response tracking. 20-40% of social media is already bots, and in the future it is likely you will not be able to reply to anything anywhere without a bot either 1) responding, or 2) logging and sending your response to multiple parties instantly. If the Stasi had…

This comment speaks the truth, yet HN doesn't want to hear it.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by BigPaPaYEAAA »

sjajshha wrote: post #65
linuxftw wrote: post #53

Things AI is already better at than (many/most) humans: Customer service (chat, phone), writing software, writing docs about software, computer graphics (animation, images), driving cars. There are plenty of uses for AI. Right now, the industry is heavily spending on training new models, improving performance of existing software and hardware, and trying to create niche products. Power usage for inference will drop d…

> Customer service (chat, phone) Only because companies have been cutting costs for decades here. This is not a good argument for AI. > writing software If you mean typing characters quickly, yes. Otherwise, there’s still a lot of employed devs, with many AI companies hiring. > writing docs about software The most useful docs are there because they contain info you cannot determine from the code. AI is not able to do…

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Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by BigPaPaYEAAA »

TwoNineA wrote: post #11
lvl155 wrote: post #9

For 96% of the population, AI will not boost production. Generally speaking people are too stupid to use AI properly at least for awhile.

I really hate condascending and arrogant stuff like "Generally speaking people are too stupid to use AI properly at least for awhile". There are plenty of tech illiterate people that are far from being "stupid" and they might not care about or like AI. They just need to send emails to family, share photos and videos and have a video call from time to time. For them, AI is worthless. But they aren't stupid. You sound…

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Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by exmadscientist »

strange_quark wrote: post #125
taude wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is it hallucinating links? The links are direct links to the webpage that they vectorized or whatever as input to the LLM query. In fact, on almost all LLM responses DuckDuckGo and Google, the links are right there as sited sources that you click on (i know because I'm almost always clicking on the source link to read the original details, and not the made up one

I’ve used Claude code to debug and sometimes it’ll say it knows what the issue is, then when I make it cite a source for its assertions, it will do a web search and sometimes spit out a link whose contents contradict its own claim. One time I tried to use Gemini to figure out 1950s construction techniques so I could understand how my house was built. It made a dubious sounding claim about the foundation, so I had it…

> maybe they don’t fully fabricate links

Grok certainly will (at least as of a couple months ago). And they weren't just stale links either.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by radicalethics »

keeda wrote: post #106

This will sound pedantic but I'll explain why it matters: the exact wording is "We need to do something useful with AI", because the current (editorialized) submission title (of an already slanted article) makes it sound like people don't know what to do with AI. We already know many useful things to do; there are already 10,000 startups (9789 out of YC alone, 4423 of which are coding-related) doing various ostensibl…

I'll explain it even better, trying to find something useful for the AI to do is the same is trying to find something useful for humans to do. Think that one through. You see, in a room that used to be just you and the boss now includes these whole other new entity called AI. Your boss is really interested in this new thing.

That is all.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by andrekandre »

101008 wrote: post #33
marcyb5st wrote: post #5

My take is that if we are still scrambling to find something objectively useful (as recognized by the median person) then we really are in AI bubble territory. When non techie friends/family bring up AI there are two major topics: 1) the amount of slop is off the charts and 2) said slop is getting harder to recognize which is scary. Sometimes they mention a bit of help in daily tasks at work, but nothing major.

My non tech friends/family use AI to ask for silly stuff (they could google it), or just to ask silly questions and see how they react. We have a relative not that famous but maybe known in a niche and they spent like a whole weekendd sending screenshots of GPT, where they asked if this person was known, who was this person, etc. They don't find AI useful, just a toy. Is their fault? Maybe.

  > They don't find AI useful, just a toy. Is their fault? Maybe.
idk i'm a software dev, and to be honest, when outside of work this is also what i use chatgpt for, its really funny to see its reactions to various prompts

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by [deleted] »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #75
MadDemon wrote: post #17

LLMs and their capabilities are very impressive and definitely useful. The productivity gains often seem to be smaller than intuitively expected though. For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it, but the time savings are often not that relevant for your overall productivity. Before LLMs you were usually already able to find the in…

> For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it More convenient than traditional search? Maybe. Quicker than traditional search? Maybe not. Asking random questions is exactly where you run into time-wasting hallucinations since the models don't seem to be very good at deciding when to use a search tool and when just to rely on their t…

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Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by danudey »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #48
MadDemon wrote: post #17

LLMs and their capabilities are very impressive and definitely useful. The productivity gains often seem to be smaller than intuitively expected though. For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it, but the time savings are often not that relevant for your overall productivity. Before LLMs you were usually already able to find the in…

If only search engine AI output didn't constantly haluciate nonexistent APIs, it might be a net productivity gain for me...but it's not. I've been bit enough times by their false "example" output for it to be a significant net time loss vs using traditional search results.

Gemini hallucinated a method on a rust crate that it was trying to use and then spent ten minutes googling 'method_name v4l2 examples' and so on. That method doesn't exist and has never existed; there was a property on the object that contained the information it wanted, but it just sat there spinning its wheels convinced that this imagined method was the key to its success.

Eventually it gave up and commented out all the code it was trying to make work. Took me less than two minutes to figure out the solution using only my IDE's autocomplete.

It did save me time overall, but it's definitely not the panacea that people seem to think it is and it definitely has hiccups that will derail your productivity if you trust it too much.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by cal_dent »

keeda wrote: post #106

This will sound pedantic but I'll explain why it matters: the exact wording is "We need to do something useful with AI", because the current (editorialized) submission title (of an already slanted article) makes it sound like people don't know what to do with AI. We already know many useful things to do; there are already 10,000 startups (9789 out of YC alone, 4423 of which are coding-related) doing various ostensibl…

The problem for him and other leaders in the AI ecosystem is that they ran ahead of themselves to overpromise and that has muddied the water from a consumer perspective. That ultimately increases the risk that we throw the baby out with the bathwater as people get sour with it. I have no doubt LLM will be a feature of society going forward, but they have been reckless with the way they've gone about messaging it
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