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Re: Skip is now free and open source

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> This fundamentally does not work for anyone with more than 10M+ installs just like you can't write Mandarin and English in one script. Provably false. My bank app (Nubank) is written in Flutter and it's one of the most used banks in Brazil (100mi+ clients who rely on the iPhone or Android app, since it's a digital bank with no web interface).

Good for you. I meant as a general rule of thumb.

You said "fundamentally", not as a rule of thumb :)

Re: Skip is now free and open source

#132

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> This fundamentally does not work for anyone with more than 10M+ installs just like you can't write Mandarin and English in one script. Provably false. My bank app (Nubank) is written in Flutter and it's one of the most used banks in Brazil (100mi+ clients who rely on the iPhone or Android app, since it's a digital bank with no web interface).

Good for you. I meant as a general rule of thumb.

Genuinely curious: What does the number of installs have to do with anything? I didn't see anything about that in the linked post (which is brief, and only about React Native), and can't figure out how popularity of an app connects to which framework is used.

Would be interested to learn how this general rule of thumb works.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

> some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools Aren't we in the middle of literally the entire industry adopting 200/mo AI subscriptions? It seems to me like engineers will absolutely pay for tools if they justify their value.

Every company I know is lamenting their out of control SaaS spend for developer tooling.

$200/month/user isn’t a big incremental cost, to be honest. SaaS and subscription tooling costs are high for developers.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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post #116

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> The highest quality tools in the software development space tend to be FOSS > People build tools that they want to use, then share it with others because it's free to This maybe sounds true on the surface, but isn't really? Prior to VSCode, Visual Studio was the most-used editor by professional developers for a very long time, with Sublime Text and Jetbrains' IDEs being close behind, and the paid options are still…

I've been programming since ~1999 and anecdataly don't remember programmers having a culture of paying for their dev tools. On linux everything's free, and on windows I've used a plethora of freeware IDEs/compilers/etc. from turbo pascal, dev c++ (that's the name of it), later on eclipse took the stage in it's buggy mess and right before vscode there was atom. The only people that I know that used visual studio eithe…

While many hobbyists developer market, like the hobbyist graphic design market, pirated their tools, the corporate market did paid for their tools.

The issue here is that they the developers aren't convincing their companies to pay for libraries now, partly because a lot of the tools are now free.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

#135
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"At least 32GB of memory is recommended for development with Skip." Dear lord, what?

At current prices, if you do not already have 32GB RAM, it will cost over $300 for DDR5, and over $200 for DDR4...

yep, the pricing is getting ridiculous... on the other hand if you are using that 32gb to make money then its an investment thats worth it imo

Re: Skip is now free and open source

#136
post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

Companies should be paying for tools not workers.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

#137
post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

Software tools are not really tools like a knife. They are more like cooking recipes.

Traditionally, people don't pay for cooking recipes, they may pay for cookbooks, that is a nice packaging around the recipes, or they may keep their recipes secret. Cooking recipes are like the software tools of chefs.

The actual tools of developers are computers, which they pay for, like chefs pay for their knives.

Software tools, like recipes cost nothing to copy and distribute, while actual tools, like knives and computers cost money per unit to produce.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

#138
post #70

> The plain truth is that developers expect to get their tools free of charge. This is an accurate, but damning indictment of how some of the most highly paid workers on the planet won't pay for tools. Unlike nearly every other profession. Folks, if you can afford it, please pay for quality software, instead of relying on FAANG and VC money to keep the tools going!

There is a difference between paying and owning a tool, vs paying, and then the tool gets enshittified to hell and becomes unusable.

I only buy licenses of software I can download the offline installer of; and a one time fee (per version is fine).

Re: Skip is now free and open source

#139

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Good question. I'll try to answer as objectively as possible, despite my bias towards Skip's approach. Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP) enables you to target different platforms with your Kotlin. In the context of mobile apps, it allows you to compile your Kotlin to a native framework for iOS, so you can reuse your business logic. On iOS, the Kotlin is running in its own little garbage-collected runtime, but it sets up a b…

> KMP itself doesn't have an equivalent Are you sure about that? https://code.cash.app/native-ui-and-multiplatform-compose-wi...

Looks like Redwood, sadly, is no longer under active development as of a couple months ago.

Re: Skip is now free and open source

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The highest quality tools in the software development space tend to be FOSS > People build tools that they want to use, then share it with others because it's free to This maybe sounds true on the surface, but isn't really? Prior to VSCode, Visual Studio was the most-used editor by professional developers for a very long time, with Sublime Text and Jetbrains' IDEs being close behind, and the paid options are still…

I've been programming since ~1999 and anecdataly don't remember programmers having a culture of paying for their dev tools. On linux everything's free, and on windows I've used a plethora of freeware IDEs/compilers/etc. from turbo pascal, dev c++ (that's the name of it), later on eclipse took the stage in it's buggy mess and right before vscode there was atom. The only people that I know that used visual studio eithe…

Well, I've been programming since 1986 and I had to buy all the compilers I used. For the Mac: Lightspeed Pascal, Lightspeed C and Metrowerks. I wish I had the money to buy MPW. Linux then was just a glint in Linus's eyes. We didn't have the internet with easy access to pirated software. I didn't do BB's so I don't know about that area. Once I went to uni in the 90's I started using Usenet but even then I didn't download any pirated software. Microsoft was virtually giving away Visual Studio/Visual Basic to University students. Back then I also remember reading Linus' arguments with Tanenbaum over microkernels and this funny language called Python and its creator unveiling/supporting it on Usenet. Around that time more and more tools were being offered for free and as a poor student I was delighted. Also we got access to free Unix tools since as we were doing work on Unix systems. Oh yeah, I remembered using this cool functional language called Miranda in one of my courses but was sad that it was a paid product. And then I heard about the debut of Haskell which was sort of a free answer to Miranda.
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