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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by anonzzzies »

Liftyee wrote: post #125
jacquesm wrote: post #104

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People don't realize that every device with a LiPo is only one (possibly malicious) update away from becoming a fuse.

Meh, often the LiPo protection logic is hardware based to prevent just this sort of mistake/sabotage. Some protection chips are software-configurable or reprogrammable, but the parameters are again limited (by design). Perhaps you could cause long-term damage by programming it to manage the battery poorly, like repeatedly charging/discharging it deeply. I think "every device" is just fearmongering. No software Apple/…

You cannot (I don't know) use the cpu, gpu etc to overheat it quick enough, during charging, to get it over the threshold?

But even if that is not possible, de-activation would he possible; finding a 0 day as nation state and using it to disable all iPhones currently connected in the US?

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by olyjohn »

andyferris wrote: post #42
appplication wrote: post #30

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> Selling the most x will eventually translate into making the best x It’s a theory for sure, but I don’t think that’s a common strategy for modern capitalism.

What about for socialism with Chinese charateristics?

The motivations from the people at the top are the same. Minimal effort and maximum profit.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by twodave »

linksnapzz wrote: post #122
twodave wrote: post #65

I’ll be honest, kind of tired of every automotive-related thread turning into blowing smoke up China’s ass. It’s become almost as predictable as what goes on in Windows-related threads.

Well, it's nice to know that people are enthusiastic about manufacturing happening someplace; I just wish more of it would happen in the US.

IMO it’s just to the point where it becomes off-topic. This article isn’t about the US vs China.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by loeg »

bradlys wrote: post #123
loeg wrote: post #66

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They have starkly raised their prices. The base 911 is nearly 40% more expensive than it was in 2020.

Yeah, such a weird comment. A 911 Turbo S is over $300k now. This car used to be low 200s for a well optioned one. They're taking some kind of Nvidia strategy where they just charge more money for the new generation rather than making the new generation just objectively better than the previous for the same cost. The new GTS basically is a replacement for the old 911 Turbo - and at the same cost... I was considering…

> where they just charge more money for the new generation rather than making the new generation just objectively better than the previous for the same cost.

Well, the new T-hybrid thing is really cool. But I'm not someone who spends $100k+ on a car.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by olyjohn »

hnburnsy wrote: post #86
King-Aaron wrote: post #23

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On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...

Consumers don't realize they are getting the worst of both worlds with added weight, complexity, repairs, inefficiency, and costs along with potential reliability (ex-Toyota) Not to mention studies that show PHEV owners frequently don't plug in.

Well those owners are idiots. That says nothing about the car. You can't exclude Toyota when you make the claim that hybrids are unreliable and inefficient either. They have proven that they can be reliable and efficient.

Hybrids aren't running around doing 30 miles a day with a 300 mile battery like most EVs. Talk about inefficient!

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by asdff »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #57
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #40

Global sales of Porsche, Audi, Mercedes and BMW brand ( BMW Group sales increased marginally, but includes) have all declined. The end is in sight for German cars as Chinese made electric cars take over. I have had several German cars. Never again ! Sticking to Japanese and probably Chinese cars in the future. German cars were decent once. Now they are notorious for poor long term reliability.

Suddenly most of the world doesn't care about human rights? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Brazil_working_conditions_... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/10/human-rights-... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3v5n7w55kpo

Don't ask german car companies what they were doing between 1939 and 1945

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Post by cromka »

maxdo wrote: post #127
dmix wrote: post #115

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> instead of developing that capability in-house or acquiring a few startups with decent engineering talent. It's usually the former and their infotainment stuff is usually nothing to get excited about. When they buy startups they get bogged down and burn off the talent quickly. Maybe the solution is not having the same small set of car companies trying to pull off the survival balancing act as we did a century ago,…

Their biggest brand, BYD, is also relatively the "oldest." It's the governemt priorities, local gov in China is building EV companies, AI companies. EU governemnt, US local gov is building shelters, or people who kick out people from a shelter on a voters mood swing. A friend from the EU visited recently. He said, "At least the Netherlands is doing much better than 10 years ago...we have lights, roads." That one sent…

Amen. This is some of the best descriptions of the current mid to upper class mentality in Europe. Frankly, I think only the common man feels what is really happening here.

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Post by thelastgallon »

maxdo wrote: post #127
dmix wrote: post #115

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> instead of developing that capability in-house or acquiring a few startups with decent engineering talent. It's usually the former and their infotainment stuff is usually nothing to get excited about. When they buy startups they get bogged down and burn off the talent quickly. Maybe the solution is not having the same small set of car companies trying to pull off the survival balancing act as we did a century ago,…

Their biggest brand, BYD, is also relatively the "oldest." It's the governemt priorities, local gov in China is building EV companies, AI companies. EU governemnt, US local gov is building shelters, or people who kick out people from a shelter on a voters mood swing. A friend from the EU visited recently. He said, "At least the Netherlands is doing much better than 10 years ago...we have lights, roads." That one sent…

To close the loop, the debt is treasury bonds held by other countries?

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by cromka »

asdff wrote: post #136
thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #57

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Suddenly most of the world doesn't care about human rights? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Brazil_working_conditions_... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/10/human-rights-... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3v5n7w55kpo

Don't ask german car companies what they were doing between 1939 and 1945

We all know that. Doesn't mean we need to be OK with that forever should any other company attempt that?

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Post by joseangel_sc »

maxdo wrote: post #127
dmix wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> instead of developing that capability in-house or acquiring a few startups with decent engineering talent. It's usually the former and their infotainment stuff is usually nothing to get excited about. When they buy startups they get bogged down and burn off the talent quickly. Maybe the solution is not having the same small set of car companies trying to pull off the survival balancing act as we did a century ago,…

Their biggest brand, BYD, is also relatively the "oldest." It's the governemt priorities, local gov in China is building EV companies, AI companies. EU governemnt, US local gov is building shelters, or people who kick out people from a shelter on a voters mood swing. A friend from the EU visited recently. He said, "At least the Netherlands is doing much better than 10 years ago...we have lights, roads." That one sent…

can you expand on ASML losing its dominance? i have not heard that
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