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Re: East Germany balloon escape

#131

Odd how nobody ever builds a balloon to fly towards the communist utopias.

One guy did use a plane to land in Red Square. Remember him?

He was mentally disturbed, which kinda proves the point. After returning to Germany, he stabbed a woman for rejecting his advances. Later, he was convicted of shoplifting, and a few years after that he was convicted again of selling stolen goods.

Definitely a "character", even if medically sound enough to stand trial.

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Depends on the form of authoritarian. The two of the richest countries on a GDP PPP basis are Lichtenstein and Singapore, also some of the most free economically, yet they could probably be described as benevolent authoritarian systems. Dubai further behind, although some similar points. It seems authoritarians that know how to use their authority to force the populace to accept (some forms of) freedom can perform be…

If you're a bus driver in Singapore denied the right to protest, strike, and otherwise organize for better pay and conditions, you might feel a bit different about how free Singapore is economically.

Does Singapore force people to be bus drivers?

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So turn back the clock to when Hildegard von Bingen was only one of many extremely powerful and influential abbesses that were polymaths and prolific artists and writers and educators of women in Europe? I’ve never understood this mentality that people who read and watched handmaids tale, caused some done kind of weird obsession built on a literal fiction story, a made up story… especially since the reality is not on…

It's like, a metaphor man. A work of fiction. Not to be taken literally, yet conveys themes and ideas which can become a short hand for conveying these ideas. Tons of folks read Atlas Shrugged and thought "hey this is how the world actually is" too. Or worse, The Fountainhead. Shudder.

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The havoc that finding out your family and friends spied on you for benefits, can not be overstated. How deeply anti social and lonely such a divided and conquered socialist utopian society is can not be expressed in words, and yet it can. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesbeauftragter_f%C3%BCr_di...

Nowadays we don't even need family and friends to spy on you for benefits; websites and apps do it for advertising revenue.

I wonder if future generations will wonder why being spied on and monitored was even noteworthy, let alone a cause for concern.

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Disney made a movie about this called Night Crossing in the early 1980s. More recently, there's a 2018 German movie about it called Balloon. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082810/ [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7125774

Great movie yes! The 1980s one, I have not seen the new one.

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+1 to this! I wonder if some of the horror in it (the constant threat of the Stasi and its implications) translates well to non-German audiences. In case you're wondering about Germany's strict privacy laws - this is part of why they exist.

> Germany's strict privacy laws Not anymore.

No, on the contrary. Germany is a big proponent of chatcontrol.

Re: East Germany balloon escape

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Disney made a movie about this called Night Crossing in the early 1980s. More recently, there's a 2018 German movie about it called Balloon. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082810/ [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7125774

I watched Night Crossing in my german class in high school. I remember it being intense.

For the 80s it was intense yes. Watching it now that same tension feels milder but I guess that's because every single TV show now has to have constant explosions, car crashes etc in it.

There is actually gunfire in it and a teenager dies in the beginning but it still feels less intense due to the 80s pace IMO.

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Yeah I'd be curious into how they acquired so much money

What I've read about the GDR is that money was rarely the problem. You couldn't spend the money if what you wanted to buy was simply not available (except maybe in "Intershops" where you needed to pay in Western currency, that was in fact very expensive). It really was a different system.

Yes the movie Night Crossing also shows very well that there was a lot of suspicion, for example they had to buy the fabric from lots of different places and this a slipup actually caused them to be ratted out (not sure if this particular part of the story happened to these people in real life too but it was really a thing)

Re: East Germany balloon escape

#139

Odd how nobody ever builds a balloon to fly towards the communist utopias.

One guy did use a plane to land in Red Square. Remember him?

Yes he was so cool. The plane is still in a museum.

PS: He was dumb as hell too of course, and it was only due to incredible laxness of the air force that he was never shot down.

Re: East Germany balloon escape

#140

Odd how nobody ever builds a balloon to fly towards the communist utopias.

If I were in the US I would certainly leave to a more socialist country. I could not live there. Even before Trump.

However there is a spectrum between it. I don't think either extreme is great, neither American unrestricted capitalism nor full-on communism. A balance of both is needed. I was a lot happier in the 80s when Holland was a lot more socialist. Less things to worry about, a safety net, cheap housing and schooling, still the ability to run your own business if you really wanted to. We had a great combination.

However the VVD neoliberals (who idolize America) have destroyed it over the last decades and there are so many huge problems now because they always went for the quick fix.

With full-on capitalism you get lots of disenfranchised people angry at not having any upward mobility, corporations just dump all over the citizens, and differences in wealth get insanely high. With full-on communism you end up with a surveillance hellscape and inhumane processes. The secret sauce is in between IMO.

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