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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Internal bleeding? Where do you get this nonsense? I keep seeing completely imaginary "facts" parroted about this case and I really want to know where they come from.

Happy to share: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-officer-who-shot-renee-good...

It’s kinda funny that conservatives don’t have the ability to think for themselves and rather just repeat what others tell them.

Internal bleeding = a bruise

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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I for one would find it far more acceptable if the people carrying out the deportations would be a little less "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" about it.

The person you are referring to rammed an ICE agent with their vehicle and the agent suffered internal bleeding as a result. Sorry but there is no scenario where you can strike law enforcement with your car after being repeatedly ordered to exit your vehicle where their wouldn't be a justifiable use of lethal force. Trying to frame it as "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" is extremely disingenuous.

Regardless of the exact circumstances of that scenario, there has been no efforts towards even the most token forms of accountability, and your echoing of state propaganda only furthers their success. You are on the wrong side of history with this one. An armed state police force that exists above accountability (except to the executive) is by definition a Geheimestaatspolizei.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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I don’t think this is true. Palantir are fundamentally a consultancy with a graph database and a map. They sell expensive “forward deployed engineer” consulting services to integrate things with their graph database and map. As far as I know they still don’t broker or share data - the customer provides the data and they provide the database and visualization. Has that changed?

Okay so they have a “graph database” that transforms client data into actionable insights. I guess IBM didn’t tell the nazis who to kill either, they just sold them the punchcards so they could round them up.

I'm not trying to make an ethical judgement here; personally, I think there is certainly a reckoning to be had given the role ICE have taken on, and I don't think that "we just make the platform" excuses culpability.

However, my concern with the Palantir conversation (and your comment) is that people are giving them too much credit, essentially: there is a public opinion (stoked by Palantir leadership) that Palantir is some kind of superpowered evil fortress full of data allowing the government to circumvent checks and balances. As far as I can tell, really it's a consultancy with a graph database, and the checks and balances never existed in the first place. These two things are very different problems to solve.

> I guess IBM didn’t tell the nazis who to kill either, they just sold them the punchcards so they could round them up.

As an aside, this is a common talking point but has also struck me as odd because this is the foundational legal and ethical argument by which IBM continues to exist today. It's definitely food for thought but it's also not exactly a hot take.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Why have we all lost the ability to think in a nuanced way? It’s very disturbing to witness, particularly on a forum like HN, ostensibly populated by smart people.

It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate while also believing that they are going about fulfilling that mandate via bad methods that need to change.

It’s possible to simultaneously believe that people shouldn’t be marked as intrinsically “illegal” while also believing that an immigration queue should exist and skipping it is immoral and should be illegal.

Etcetera, etcetera.

You don’t HAVE to dedicate yourself to a fully polarized set of beliefs. Nuance is possible. What the hell is causing us to lose our minds like this? Is it really just social media? So frustrating to witness.

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You're assuming deportations work, but the evidence doesn't suggest that. Huge numbers of deportations have happened, with some people deported multiple times. Do you feel the problem is solved?

Ultimately, you have to fix the incentives. Fine the people hiring them, making it uneconomical, and you will remove the main incentive for people to enter the US illegally.

Our politicians have simply seemed fairly uninterested in holding business owners accountable.

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You can when they are wearing a mask and a gun and are trying to pull you out of your car. It’s called self defense.

By this logic anybody could legally kill a police officer trying to arrest them.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Godwin's Law invoked in record time. Such hyperbole is not conductive to real discussion.

Literal Nazi stuff

"These people are akin the mold growing upon a rotting city-state economy. They have to be removed." --our poster

"humanity suffers today under Jewish parasitism" --Adolf Hitler

It is this fake injury or mis-assignment of blame for real harm that serves as justification for actual crimes against humanity be they at CEDOT or Dachau

Immigrants aren't hurting us by existing.

Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Happy to share: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-officer-who-shot-renee-good...

It’s kinda funny that conservatives don’t have the ability to think for themselves and rather just repeat what others tell them. Internal bleeding = a bruise

So you agree he was struck by the vehicle?
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