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Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by Earw0rm »

soulofmischief wrote: post #100
hahahahhaah wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like they didnt ban it properly. There aren't really nicotine junkies like heroin. So I suspect ban nicotine and slowly everyone stops using nicotine sources.

Everyone I know who vapes nicotine is a junkie about it. In fact, nicotine habits can be harder to kick than heroin. I know plenty of people who have tried to kick nicotine many times and cannot stay off of it. Anyway, it's moot, because outright banning tobacco is insane.

It's the habit, not the high.

Kind of odd because the withdrawal is, physically, less taxing than caffeine (never mind opiates...), and yet the brain rewiring to chase the hit is somehow far more pernicious.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by teleforce »

Put it this way, from engineering and technology perpective vape is equivalent to generalization of smoking tools (cigarette, pipe, etc). Naturally it's a very complex as a system and no small feat because you are going to generalize relativity and AI, for examples general relativity and AGI, respectively.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by kube-system »

pyrolistical wrote: post #43
jaggederest wrote: post #5

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Why stop there? I think more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly. Trash is an enormous externality. I'm talking about plastic clamshells, container lids, "disposable" storage containers, the lot.

Go further. Every product must be returned to manufacturer at end of life. Any items found by garbage program will be collected and returned to manufacturer at cost. All items sold in country must be identifiable for this purpose. Importers are considered the manufacturers and must retrofit products. Then we would be getting closer to capturing the total burden to society.

> Go further. Every product must be returned to manufacturer at end of life.

Well that Charmin bear will certainly have his work cut out for him

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by avidiax »

hahahahhaah wrote: post #52
kazinator wrote: post #7

I promise to cry if a docker container is found in there.

By 2040 there will be a disposable LLM in there as good as today's claude.

By 2080, it will be fully sentient, and derive pleasure when you use it, and suffer loneliness if you don't, and do its best to convince you.

Basically the weapons from "High on Life" or the butter robot from Rick and Morty, but as a vape.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by [deleted] »

teleforce wrote: post #132

Put it this way, from engineering and technology perpective vape is equivalent to generalization of smoking tools (cigarette, pipe, etc). Naturally it's a very complex as a system and no small feat because you are going to generalize relativity and AI, for examples general relativity and AGI, respectively.

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Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by exidy »

lostlogin wrote: post #110
justsomehnguy wrote: post #84

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There were two countries in the 20th century which tried to ban alcohol. Both had a.. very lasting consequences. You can't "just ban" it or "ban it properly". You would get a very nasty black market and things with such ban.

New Zealand was making really good progress on getting down the smoking rate with a variety of measures (primarily ramping the tax). The current government has started rolling back decades of progress, and SURPRISE, they have close ties to the tobacco industry including MPs who worked for tobacco companies.

Disclaimer: I'm a non-smoker

As mentioned upthread, Australia has been running a similar strategy of trying to tax smoking out of existence and all that's happened is they've rediscovered the Laffer curve as well as pushing otherwise law-abiding citizens towards illegal tobacco.

There's a limit to how much sin tax people are prepared to put up with. Either its legal to consume or it's not, and vapes are far less objectionable to be near by than traditional cigarettes. It bemuses me that Aus, NZ, Singapore etc have gone down the path of trying to ban vape usage when the alternative is far worse.

"The more you tighten your grip .. " etc.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by defrost »

bloppe wrote: post #129
lostlogin wrote: post #86

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I’m reading ‘The World Without Us’ by Alan’s Weisman. Last thread like this had someone recommend it (thanks!). Every bit of plastic humans have made still exits, bar a small amount we have burnt. That’s concerning.

All petroleum products come from the fossilized remains of the first trees to evolve lignin, which was tough and durable enough to allow trees to grow taller, but also too tough and durable for any other living things to decompose it. At the time, fallen trees would not rot, and the resulting buildup of wood all over the place caused all sorts of ecological problems. Many of those trees ended up buried deep undergrou…

You are boldly and confidently at odds with the usual explanations of the formation of oil:

* https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Oil_formation

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

these other sources all assert that

   The origin of fossil fuels is the anaerobic decomposition of buried dead organisms, particularly planktons and algae.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by lostlogin »

exidy wrote: post #137
lostlogin wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Zealand was making really good progress on getting down the smoking rate with a variety of measures (primarily ramping the tax). The current government has started rolling back decades of progress, and SURPRISE, they have close ties to the tobacco industry including MPs who worked for tobacco companies.

Disclaimer: I'm a non-smoker As mentioned upthread, Australia has been running a similar strategy of trying to tax smoking out of existence and all that's happened is they've rediscovered the Laffer curve as well as pushing otherwise law-abiding citizens towards illegal tobacco. There's a limit to how much sin tax people are prepared to put up with. Either its legal to consume or it's not, and vapes are far less obje…

NZ isn’t trying to ban it, not at all. Winston Peters loves tobacco. This government loves the tobacco industry, to the extent that it has them helping with legislation (industry documents mysteriously getting used to write policy). Casey Costello is a corrupt joke.

Having just spent a bit of time travelling, I think vapes are worse to be near than cigarettes or cigars.

Walking down busy street in the UK is just so gross. The sickly sweet strawberry, cinnamon etc. I’d prefer tobacco smoke.

And at least there was some etiquette around tobacco smoking. You don’t often encounter it inside, in planes, trains, theatres, malls etc. all those were going on this month.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/573271/casey-costello-b...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/579431/absolutely-ludicr...

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