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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by alyandon »

0_____0 wrote: post #27
epolanski wrote: post #23

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What propaganda? I only get a new background with some info related to it (like what's the place of the picture).

I just reinstalled Windows, so I've had the joy of a bunch of stupid MS stuff (why did you make my /~ homedir the first five letters of my email? WHY?) but I have to admit, this, I have not encountered.

Yeah, it's one of the reasons I use a Microsoft account to collect the PC entitlements and then create a local user account that has a sane profile name and never touch the online account again.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by zemo »

wackget wrote: post #52
thunky wrote: post #41

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> I'm more and more inclined of switching my desktop (my main working machine) to Omarchy Never heard of it and the website and GitHub repo sure aren't doing a great job of describing it's benefits. "Beautiful, Modern & Opinionated" are vague and really aren't adjectives I'd be looking for in an OS.

When anything is described as "opinionated" I just read it as "wilfully inflexible".

opinionated versus unopinionated is a tradeoff. Things that boast about how unopinionated they are often require a lot of hand holding or manual config. I think there's a big audience of people that have non-Appleware that want an OS that is not Windows, but don't actually care to customize it.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by halapro »

kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

As a dinosaur, it might finally be time for the Linux desktop

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by kachapopopow »

wackget wrote: post #105
kachapopopow wrote: post #103

to be fair windows 11 is the most secure windows ever created, the amount of random checks it has is astonishing. Unfortunately it gets undermined by poor driver code from third-parties, much less of a problem with hyper-v based security, but still a huge problem. Obviously all these security features cost performance and something that linux and macos can live without since they generally do not have closed source d…

Random checks?

patchguard, hyperguard, CET, retpoline, shadowing checks, you name it, look at any memory function and see if (rdtsc() % xxx) check_something.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dmitrygr »

ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

I still use a copy of Calc.EXE from Windows 2000 that I just move from machine to machine. It stopped being useful after that. That old one is nice. Hex mode. Starts quickly.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

I call bullshit on these tests. The baseline doesn't make sense. Software defaults are never minimal (aka bloating) and are designed to scale with hardware. So as faster hardware reaches systems, the core OS still becomes faster but you will never see it when choosing defaults. You still receive baseline OS functioning in faster increments over time. If you tuned these OS installs for performance (no bloating, only core GUI and speed enhancing services) you would reach the opposite conclusion.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by steve1977 »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117
steve1977 wrote: post #101

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macOS has Cocoa since 2000, which is still useable, and SwiftUI since a few years. No comparison to the mess of UI toolkits on Windows.

And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

Well, that's true. It's an interesting point actually. Windows certainly wins in terms of binary compatibility.

I was thinking more about the developer perspective, i.e. churn in terms of frameworks. Yes, PowerPC is gone. Intel will be gone soon.

But both the transitions from PowerPC to Intel as well as from Intel to ARM were pretty straightforward for developers if you were using Cocoa and not doing any assembly stuff.

Carbon only every was a bandaid to give devs some time for the transition to Cocoa.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dmitrygr »

api wrote: post #99
secondcoming wrote: post #97

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That makes little sense, notepad.exe already exists. The only development required on it would be to add AI shit to it. They could just leave it alone.

That means you have to work on the original code, and modern entry-mid level devs can't do that. It's probably in C++. Your expensive senior and staff level devs are on more important projects. Make it a web app and your cheap entry level grads can do it.

I don’t think you understand. Notepad was literally one of the examples that comes with the SDK. It doesn’t need any maintenance. As long as windows has a native SDK, notepad exists because it is basically the simplest GUI application, provided as a sample.
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