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The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Post by RobotToaster »

fidotron wrote: post #3

It's this now, but 3D printers, Meshtastic, and the ESP32 all seem likely to catch the ire of the administration if some deal is not done in the coming years. I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen, and until it does there will be a giant hole in the middle of the entire maker universe, which increasingly acts as the prototyping…

Bambu was made by a bunch of former DJI executives, and copied a lot of their dubious business practices.

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Post by sophacles »

alex43578 wrote: post #71
watwut wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine America is helping Russia with its invasion of Ukraine.

By only giving Ukraine $175,000,000,000, instead of $500B? Or $1T and American boots on the ground? When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them?

Most of the money "given" to Ukraine was older stockpiled weapons that were approaching EOL or at least "refresh cycle" anyway and needed to be replaced. Instead of throwing it away or selling it, they gave it to Ukraine, and most of the actual money spend went to US armaments companies.

The price tag you quote is the same as the "an $X value thrown in for free" you see in "deals" from shady companies.

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Post by ericmay »

alex43578 wrote: post #122
alex43578 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By only giving Ukraine $175,000,000,000, instead of $500B? Or $1T and American boots on the ground? When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them?

>I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us. Is there a war we needed to fight with Russia in this decade, the next decade, or the last, and if so, is Ukraine even damaging the parts that matter? Russia nukes hold America at threat, not a bunch of conscripts and some old BMPs. America isn’t safer if Ukraine scores another 100K Russian casualties, and there’s even an argument that a destabilized, volatil…

> America isn’t safer if Ukraine scores another 100K Russian casualties

Europe is safer though, so there's that at least. Russia can't invade the United States of course, but it can invade other countries in Europe, and it is actively taking action to do so.

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Post by MarioMan »

appplication wrote: post #53
bilekas wrote: post #16

News next week : "Donald Trump Jr opens US Drone company with exclusive import license from China." > DJI responded publicly that month that they had nothing to hide, and subsequently spent a year trying to convince the U.S. government to begin the audit. But no federal agency even began There's your answer. There was never any concern over Americans data being sent to China. Also they didn't "Follow through", they s…

It’s hard to say on this one. There is a pretty extensive history of Chinese govt spying via consumer products [0]. Having worked formerly with the intelligence community, they tend not to tip their hand when they are aware of asymmetrical information. It’s plausible that the determination was made that there were backdoors/spy equipment/whatever in the products, so no audit or smooth talking from corp representative…

The link you shared details hacker groups exploiting consumer hardware. This is very different than selling compromised, backdoored hardware.

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Post by ericmay »

sophacles wrote: post #132
alex43578 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By only giving Ukraine $175,000,000,000, instead of $500B? Or $1T and American boots on the ground? When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them?

Most of the money "given" to Ukraine was older stockpiled weapons that were approaching EOL or at least "refresh cycle" anyway and needed to be replaced. Instead of throwing it away or selling it, they gave it to Ukraine, and most of the actual money spend went to US armaments companies. The price tag you quote is the same as the "an $X value thrown in for free" you see in "deals" from shady companies.

Yea but those weapons are still highly valuable and effective. If you need help you aren't going to be super picky whether the apples and potatoes come from Whole Foods or Kroger.

> The price tag you quote is the same as the "an $X value thrown in for free" you see in "deals" from shady companies.

So I don't think this is very accurate. Unless you want to suggest that funding, equipment, and more given under the Biden Administration, never mind US actions like sanctions, are the product of "shady deals".

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Post by alex43578 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #116
alex43578 wrote: post #103

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It's absolutely wild to me that two people can watch the same video and come up with completely different conclusions as to what happened. > She sees he is there, puts it in drive, and pulls forward. The fact that her steering was cranked to the right is proof enough that she was not intending on hitting him.

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Post by mothballed »

jjk166 wrote: post #126
mothballed wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lesson learned from Ukraine is that importation of drones is a terrific asset, rather than a liability. Maybe you think that lesson would not apply to the USA, but that wouldn't be a lesson learned from Ukraine, rather the lesson learned would be the opposite.

The lesson from Ukraine is the importance of having access to drones. It doesn't take any remarkable mental feats to realize that if your primary source of drones is China, then that access may not be reliable in the event of conflict with China.

Reducing the diversity of your supply chain and instead making your self so incredibly vulnerable that all an adversary has to do is fubar your own domestic supply chain (because imports have long been banned) is way less robust than maintaining imports. If you actually wanted what you claim, you'd allow imports while taxing or subsidizing until they look roughly break even with domestic offerings.

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Post by 8note »

ericmay wrote: post #22
Kapura wrote: post #2

Seeing how drone warfare has become the new hot front in 21st century conflicts like Ukraine, it's hard not to speculate on the implications of this as political unrest continues to rise in the U.S. It's no secret that the current U.S. regime views a sizeable portion of its own civilian citizens as enemy combatants. They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at t…

Maybe, or maybe it’s just good policy to not import a network of drones from an adversary to democracies across the world, which includes the EU most importantly as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine and is gearing up for some activity in Taiwan. People can just record all this stuff on their iPhones that they already have. You don’t need a DJI drone to record police malfeasance. Maybe you do in China or…

im in canada, but my mayor has been sharing details about emergency construction faily by including drone recorded footage of it.

its very useful reporting updates about when the water will be back at full capacity.

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Post by moogly »

How does this interact with this[1] recent decision? Maybe I'm stupid but I don't think the article really explains the US Commerce Dept. decision outcome when the FCC ban is still in effect.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-commerce-department-d...

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Post by 8note »

belval wrote: post #19
SkyeCA wrote: post #5

I wonder how long until Canada gets pressured into doing the same, just like we always do?

I haven't kept up to date but does the US have that much more leverage over Canada anymore? Last I checked we have tariffs on most exports, including crude, wood, steel and aluminium (probably missing a bunch). General goods are tariff'ed at 35% while China is tariff'ed at 47.5%. They could get us to ban DJI for sure but I'd assume it'd be more through carrot than stick, because at this point we've been pretty consis…

for now we are still putting the 100% tariff on cars that cant even drive on our roads, on the US' behalf
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