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Those are not great examples. Bubble gum puts the buyer in a worse dental health situation. Windows is a monopoly that controls the desktop market and the buyer would have been better off with a richer market with a variety of options. You could have said cigarettes. They provide the same pleasure benefits as gum with unhealthy outcomes for the buyer.
You are making the mistake of asserting that the buyer exactly shares your values. With Windows, I didn't assert that it was the value maximizing case, merely that it benefits both parties. Which it does, mostly likely to the advantage of the buyers.
ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?
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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?
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The obvious retort to this is: "If I focused on my health, ate clean and exercised daily, why should I also be subsidizing Billy "video-games-are-my-exercise" fatass's chronic health conditions?" This is why there is a hyperfixation on shifting blame away from (failing) individuals. The logic breaks when Billy has to admit he just hates exercising. And yes, before you comment, I know "maybe Billy has (condition outsi…
Is the obvious retort to this: I don't think we should play arbiter for who has and hasn't lived a healthy enough life to still believe they should get healthcare?
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Do corporations use my google searches as data to hire me?
Do you have any proof they don't? Do you have any proof the "AI System" that they use to filter out candidates doesn't "accidentally" access data ? Are you willing to bet that Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta, won't sell access to that information? Also, in some cases: they absolutely do. Try to get hired in Palantir and see how much they know about your browsing history. Anything related to national security or requi…
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“Power dynamic” yet another metaphysical concern
Concern for metaphysics is shared by many great thinkers, including Aristotle and Kant, so your unwillingness to even apprehend it is disappointing.
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I agree. LLMs cannot and should not replace professionals but there are huge gaps that can be filled by intro provided and the fact that you can dig deeper into any subject is huge. This is probably a field that MistralAI could use privacy and GDPR as leverage to build LLMs around that.
One of the big issues I have with LLMs that when you start a prompting session with an easy question it all goes great. It bring up points you might not have considered and appears very knowledgeable. Fact checking at this stage will show the LLM is invariably correct. Then you start "digging deeper" on a specific sub-topic, and this is where the risk of an incorrect response grows. But it is easy to continue with th…
LLMs are yet another powerful tool under our belt, you know it’s hallucinating so be careful. That said, even asking specialized info about this or that medical topic can be a great thing for patients. That’s why I believe it’s a good thing to have specialized LLMs that can tailor responses on individual health situations.
The problem is the framework and the implementation end goal. IMO state owned health data is a goldmine for any social welfare system and now with AI they can make use of it in novel ways.
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That is not how the US has chosen to do it. The ACA prohibits using anything other than age, location, and tobacco use for premium pricing, and the ACA prohibits denying coverage (resulting in a wealth transfer from healthy to sick). Even the age rating factor is capped at 3, so there are also massive wealth transfers from young to old. Mathematically, health insurance premiums in the US are more tax than insurance p…
The ACA doesn't prevent some magical fairy-dust AI from pricing premiums, though, which is currently all the rage amongst insurers. (Not because AI will be accurate or anything, but because it offers a completely opaque pricing process.)
Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?
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You are making the mistake of asserting that the buyer exactly shares your values. With Windows, I didn't assert that it was the value maximizing case, merely that it benefits both parties. Which it does, mostly likely to the advantage of the buyers.
By the same logic, an inmate in prison is benefiting from incarceration because they are receiving food and housing. Obviously, the costs of being imprisoned is greater than any "enrichment" from it, and this is exactly the case with Windows and almost all technology.
Businesses that expand their licensing agreements with Microsoft aren't doing it because they are being coerced.
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Is the obvious retort to this: I don't think we should play arbiter for who has and hasn't lived a healthy enough life to still believe they should get healthcare?
Yeah, I think what Workaccount2 is not realizing is that there's no bottom to "you have higher risk factors, why should I pay for you?", and so once you start down that way you may not like where it ends up. Some hobbies have higher injury rates, why should I pay for your health care if you choose to play those? Some parts of the country have lower life expectancies, why should I pay for your health care if you choos…
The battle along the spectrum of privatizing gains (lower healthcare premiums for a healthy lifestyle - high premiums for unhealthy lifestyle) vs socializing losses (paying $20/mo to get $1200/mo of care - paying $1200/mo for $0/mo of care) is constant and boundless in either direction.
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Ostensibly, the Affordable Care Act was supposed to reduce the average family's premiums by $2,500 a year. When that didn't happen, the story changed to that number being how much more premiums would have risen. Insurance premiums have only gone up as far as I can remember, though there's a ton of variables at play here. Inflation is an obvious one, plus continual introduction of more and more costly treatments- biol…
The individual mandate part of the ACA was the part designed to reduce premiums. You need healthy participants in any health insurance scheme to subsidize unhealthy people. That was eliminated by a Republican bill, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.
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Insurance that is maximally responsive to patient health changes in terms of cost (ie making healthier people pay less) ends up being an inefficient way of just having people pay for their healthcare directly. And it naturally means the people with highest premiums are the least likely to be able to afford it (the elderly, the disabled, those with chronic conditions that make them less likely to maintain high earning…
The obvious retort to this is: "If I focused on my health, ate clean and exercised daily, why should I also be subsidizing Billy "video-games-are-my-exercise" fatass's chronic health conditions?" This is why there is a hyperfixation on shifting blame away from (failing) individuals. The logic breaks when Billy has to admit he just hates exercising. And yes, before you comment, I know "maybe Billy has (condition outsi…
> why should I also be subsidizing Billy "video-games-are-my-exercise" fatass's chronic health conditions?"
Nobody is asking you to: enrolling in insurance is a choice in the USA.
Also, replace "chronic health conditions" with "unavoidable inherited genetic risk factors". We don't want Billy to be screwed for life just because he was born to a suboptimal combination of parents.