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Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by catapart »

4ggr0 wrote: post #116
catapart wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting this here, hoping desperately for someone to give me an example proving I'm wrong: It's insane to me that there isn't a simple, GUI-based app that provides this utility in a clean, straightforward way. Basically just "dropbox, but let me set the destination to another drive on my PC/network/VPN (or a 'repo', for 'advanced' users)". Just a plain interface that shows me my files and allows me to say "I want thi…

For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.

Sweet! Sounds easy. If someone could wrap that up in a GUI that works on all OSes, that seems like it would solve my problem!

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by einpoklum »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #46

I’ve used OneDrive for like 8 years without issues. It works great for me.

Well, if "great" agrees with sharing all your data with the US government, then maybe.

This happens as part of the PRISM program, whose existence was leaked by Edward Snowden last decade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

as part of that program, online communications and storage of all users of large US tech companies, including Microsoft, is made accessible to the NSA.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by tracker1 »

Zambyte wrote: post #125
CWuestefeld wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaming is a smaller thing for me than the Adobe creative apps, especially Lightroom. Granted, I could get that on Macintosh. But while their fans like to claim that Apple's engineering is all about usability, that hasn't been true for quite some time. It's now become a status/elitism thing (see, e.g., yesterday's conversation about Tahoe icons). And their UX model is very contrary to my way of thinking about things.

Unless you need compatibility with Adobe file formats, Free editing software works fine too. I've been using Darktable for about a decade. People bash on GIMP for not being able to do what Photoshop can, but it's because GIMP is built with the intent of being extended by the user. It can be extended to do what people complain that it cannot do. Kdenlive is good at filling the needs met by Premiere. I think the hardes…

Users of creative apps are rarely also programmers capable of creating the extensions you mention. If the goal is getting people to switch to your application, open source or not, you need to provide a level of minimal functionality. What is minimal functionality varies from person to person and may include the way you interact with said functionality.

While Gimp and Krita are very useful and even usable for a lot of people... that doesn't mean it's a suitable replacement for the Adobe products. Some will get Affinity running with Wine... frankly it would be nice if there was an "easy gutton" to doing a lot of this. I'm not sure about the legalities of copying actual MS dll's from Windows for use with Wine even... even if yoou have a license, as I'm not a lawyer, which can impact the ability to make it easier to do/use.

It would be nice if more software at least got tested to run on Wine/Proton with closer to first party support. Bridging the gap between a full Linux version, and something that can at least run in Linux.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by dartharva »

snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

The problem is Microsoft shoving it down our throats and making saving to local FS as cumbersome as possible.

I wouldn't have minded Onedrive, in fact I would have used it a lot more, if it just showed up as an external mounted drive in Explorer where I could just paste files and folders I want shared or backed up. But nope, Microsoft in their infinite wisdom just have to sync up my entire home directory by default and have Office/365 only save docs and sheets to cloud by default. No thank you.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by [deleted] »

catapart wrote: post #61
bell-cot wrote: post #14

Maintaining local, off-line backups is an endless PITA. But consider the alternative... :(

Posting this here, hoping desperately for someone to give me an example proving I'm wrong: It's insane to me that there isn't a simple, GUI-based app that provides this utility in a clean, straightforward way. Basically just "dropbox, but let me set the destination to another drive on my PC/network/VPN (or a 'repo', for 'advanced' users)". Just a plain interface that shows me my files and allows me to say "I want thi…

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Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by tracker1 »

bikelang wrote: post #124
juancn wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the joke, but I disagree. It mixed hardware with software in a weird way. Macs are as much about the hardware than the software, and the OS is just another Unix variant. Much closer to Linux/BSD than Windows. I like tech (no fear, I've been coding for 41 years at this point), but I don't like configuration, I'm a programmer, not IT, and also I heavily lean to getting shit done, so I prefer tools that don't get…

I’m not sure what distro you used or how long ago this was - but I’ve been using Pop!_os as my general OS + dev env (and more recently switched off Windows to Bazzite for gaming) - and I’ve never once had to battle with audio or weird twiddling with settings to get stuff to work. In my experience - both have had the kind of out-of-the-box experience I’ve come to expect from Windows. If anything - Windows has required…

Try using a Bluetooth headset in online meetings. That's only the tip of the iceberg... Another is when you're trying to mix multiple inputs/outputs in Linux across various pro audio accessories, which only Mac seems to get right.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by JTbane »

catapart wrote: post #61
bell-cot wrote: post #14

Maintaining local, off-line backups is an endless PITA. But consider the alternative... :(

Posting this here, hoping desperately for someone to give me an example proving I'm wrong: It's insane to me that there isn't a simple, GUI-based app that provides this utility in a clean, straightforward way. Basically just "dropbox, but let me set the destination to another drive on my PC/network/VPN (or a 'repo', for 'advanced' users)". Just a plain interface that shows me my files and allows me to say "I want thi…

Would Syncthing fulfill your requirements?

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by 4ggr0 »

catapart wrote: post #131
4ggr0 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.

Sweet! Sounds easy. If someone could wrap that up in a GUI that works on all OSes, that seems like it would solve my problem!

yeah! like some kind of virtual box you can drop your files into...

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by pjc50 »

jwnin wrote: post #42

I use OneDrive at work for all of my documents and have never encountered the horror stories I frequently read. I read these stories often enough where I believe there genuinely is a problem. But I do wonder why there is a difference for some and not others. Perhaps I've conditioned myself to live with its faults? I will say that the Microsoft Office OneDrive save experience is completely subpar. It behaves completel…

We weren't using OneDrive at work, then we had it imposed, and everyone went through a few days period where they had to find where their documents went and/or changing the hardcoded paths in various things to match the new location.

Using OneDrive is often fine. Having it imposed on you is a breaking change.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by rincebrain »

snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

The two main frustrations that I've seen encountered are:

1) Microsoft aggressively attempting to convince you to use OneDrive, no matter how many times you turn it off.

I've had a Dropbox subscription since before OneDrive became a common name, and it works for me, so I have no real use case for OneDrive. That doesn't stop Microsoft forcibly "helpfully" re-enabling the OneDrive app and embedded link in the quick access bar regularly...which leads to

2) Microsoft attempting to sync your user profile in OneDrive, and bugs that arise from how it implements that.

I've never enabled this, so I haven't dug into how it works, but the first time I ever encountered OneDrive discussion in tech or adjacent circles was people complaining about OneDrive syncing of user profile folders breaking some games.

I assume it's something like the comedy of errors that could come out of folder redirection and software not expecting multiple people touching it at once, or the comedy of conflict resolution on a filesystem layer that isn't expecting that for semantics, but I have heard more complaints about OneDrive in this context than I've heard anything else about it.

So I suspect that it works fine, if you use it as a Dropbox-alike.

Using it as a Folder Redirection/Roaming Profiles replacement, or trying to say "no" to Microsoft, is where the problems ensue.

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