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Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by Muromec »

myk9001 wrote: post #114
Muromec wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So after rent you're left with what, 1860 euro? Good luck getting through the month with that money in Berlin. I’m confused. Is Berlin more expensive than I think it is or you never cook yourself? ~~~Add: how do manage to pay more than 50% in effective taxes?~~~

Where is more than 50% coming from? If you aren't married your effective tax rate is at 42% (tax plus social deductions which aren't technically taxes). Tons of tax calculators available online, see for yourself. > you never cook yourself? I do cook but it's not like groceries are free. And what about saving for an emergency fund, a downpayment, a vacation, a new PC, laptop, phone. Or, god forbid, a car? Do you feel…

Sorry, I misread 80k p/a for 8k monthly.

You have a point. I would not get two bedroom two bathroom apartment for myself alone however. Or live in Berlin for that matter.

Few years ago in Holland it was something like 100k salary == mortgage for 500k house. No downpayment, 2k monthly.

Having a sweet 30% reduction of taxable salary was very nice, otherwive learn sone cooking and get an income-generating partner to top it up. Now after layoffs and AI-bullshit depressing wages it doesn't sound nice at all and node of us is in IT is Mr. Fancy anymore.

And of course, mandatory -- don't go to western europe, everything is expensive, locals are racist, taxes are high and the weather is bad.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by happytoexplain »

Muromec wrote: post #102
RealityVoid wrote: post #92

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Nah, these are all just taking points to be used when it's convenient, discarded when it's not. You can't expect internal consistency.

Yeah, having to compete with institutional capital for house ownership here is fine, but them having to compete with people from a country where they speak foreign languages is not fair. The duality of libertarian thinking.

I am against free market absolutism. I also think it's unrealistic to expect humans to put up with any and all examples of large foreign influxes that disrupt a person's local life/culture, as much as it would be nice for everybody to just be compatible with each other.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by Muromec »

myk9001 wrote: post #115
Muromec wrote: post #96

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3 months is nothing really. Half a year is more the start of negotiation in a comparable place in Europe. That and having a 2 years burnout leave as an option and having trade unions and the regulator to sign off on your layoffs plan in more reputable places. Add: It's not that layoffs are not a thing, they are a bit more complicated and expensive for a company than getting a list of people and sending mass-email, th…

Do you have a link to a labor law stating it's half a year?

I'm not saying it's the law, I'm saying it's the practice

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by happytoexplain »

thisisit wrote: post #127
cmxch wrote: post #70

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That’s because the damage has gone on too long. When three generations (late Boomer, Generation X, and Millennials) have seen it and the various alphabet soup of programs from the perspective of having to train their replacements from these programs, or hear their parents having to do same, the sympathy and empathy have long since run dry. The only valid thing to do is to have the various involved entities from the l…

As a country US can't even agree on securing rights for its own people. Raising minimum wage or universal healthcare or housing leads to lots of bad faith discourse on socialism. The wealth is instead spent on fighting wars and strong arming others. Heck even the guy who promised no wars and America First cannot get enough and attacks another country in name of "liberation" and oil. But somehow immigration has dealt…

This is black and white thinking. I've seen what you're denying firsthand.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by tremon »

logicchains wrote: post #45
Espressosaurus wrote: post #18

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It's worse: we're actively ejecting the global brain drain that has been to our benefit since the post-WW2 era. I know several people on various visas that are making plans to leave after having gotten PHDs here. Still more have naturalized and are making contingencies for exiting. Immigrants found close to half of the fortune 500 businesses, and start something like 20% of our new businesses each year. For those mot…

>and because immigration is what has delayed our demographic inversion that Europe and other developed nations are going through The birthrate among the most conservative Americans is still over 2.0. From the perspective of the conservative movement in power, it makes sense to halt immigration so the population becomes more and more conservative over time (as immigrants are left-leaning on average, especially Indians…

The birthrate among the most conservative Americans is still over 2.0

That will not be enough to offset the oncoming boom in infant mortality.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by yc-kraln »

Muromec wrote: post #111
myk9001 wrote: post #104

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If you own, you hit a jackpot, basically. Then, yes, life in Europe can be very nice. Sharing an apartment while in college is OK, even fun in my book. We're talking about immigrants though, right? (If you don't want more of us in your country, I don't think you're a monster, btw. But entertain me anyway?) Go check out, say, Berlin salaries on levels.fyi or glassdoor or wherever you prefer and filter out US companies…

> So after rent you're left with what, 1860 euro? Good luck getting through the month with that money in Berlin. I’m confused. Is Berlin more expensive than I think it is or you never cook yourself? ~~~Add: how do manage to pay more than 50% in effective taxes?~~~

What costs are you calculating with that, net of taxes and rent, you can't survive as a single or even couple on 1800€+ in Berlin?

Like the median income here is extremely low, that salary puts you in the top 10%.

Help me understand because this doesn't make sense at all to me--context: living in Berlin the last 13 years

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by addandsubtract »

RealityVoid wrote: post #43

I would be incredibly curious if the mods could look into the stats of these political threads. I personally feel they are being manipulated at least through the voting system if not through active bot influence campaigns. It might be me being emotional about this and about seeing a country I looked up to becoming what it's becoming, but I just can't comprehend how some of the people in this otherwise great community…

Also curious how some political threads are allowed, while others are flagged right away.

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by sksishbs »

mattnewton wrote: post #11

Not only are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I feel like the current rhetoric in the US doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of the metaphorical baby anymore. The strongest advantage of the US has always been the ability to absorb global talent. I don’t think that is a popular view anymore, and we are instead stuck talking only about stopping abuse that is ultimately still bringing skilled workers to t…

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Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by Muromec »

yc-kraln wrote: post #136
Muromec wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So after rent you're left with what, 1860 euro? Good luck getting through the month with that money in Berlin. I’m confused. Is Berlin more expensive than I think it is or you never cook yourself? ~~~Add: how do manage to pay more than 50% in effective taxes?~~~

What costs are you calculating with that, net of taxes and rent, you can't survive as a single or even couple on 1800€+ in Berlin? Like the median income here is extremely low, that salary puts you in the top 10%. Help me understand because this doesn't make sense at all to me--context: living in Berlin the last 13 years

Not me. I guess the GP wants to save 1k a month in case the nuclear war happens and drives a car to eat kebabs for breakfast, lunch and dinner. That sounds about right for American, so the saving are going towards health issues down the line. /s

Re: Bill to Eliminate H-1B Visa Program Introduced in Congress

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Post by franktankbank »

addandsubtract wrote: post #137
RealityVoid wrote: post #43

I would be incredibly curious if the mods could look into the stats of these political threads. I personally feel they are being manipulated at least through the voting system if not through active bot influence campaigns. It might be me being emotional about this and about seeing a country I looked up to becoming what it's becoming, but I just can't comprehend how some of the people in this otherwise great community…

Also curious how some political threads are allowed, while others are flagged right away.

Perhaps it has something to do with this topic being extremely relevant in tech.
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