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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by wongarsu »

ljsprague wrote: post #102
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

>There is a saying about how US citizens trust companies but not their government, and how Europeans trust their governments but not their companies. Almost always easier to pick a new company than a new government.

That's what democracy is supposed to fix

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ACCount37 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #47

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores, and sell the dongle – along with the infrastructure to operate an app store – to anyone in the world who wants to go into business competing with Apple for users and app vendors. I have twoo probl…

The first problem is technical.

Jailbreaks aren't stopped by being ostensibly illegal to do. They're stopped by being a nigh-impossible attack conducted against an adversary that keeps hardening the systems against it.

Which is why the fight for unlocked bootloaders and software freedom is such an important fight. It's theoretically possible to create an "unbreakable lock" and forbid the users from having any control over the software forever.

Which is why user freedom must be legally mandated, and engineered into the hardware on the ground floor. You can't rely on being able to "hack the freedom in after the fact".

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by rithdmc »

OKRainbowKid wrote: post #122
ljsprague wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I have the impression that most people believing and repeating this "great replacement" narrative are not members of the demographics they claim are being replaced. To me it seems mostly spread by people living outside of Europe trying to paint Europe in a bad light in order to push fear and anti-immigration policies in the general west.

Unfortunately, it's not an uncommon thing to hear from people when performing community outreach (think door knocking). External push, definitely, but it's also being repeated by the demographic this narrative is being pushed to.

I can't comment on whether or not they believe it, but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by defrost »

rithdmc wrote: post #133
OKRainbowKid wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the impression that most people believing and repeating this "great replacement" narrative are not members of the demographics they claim are being replaced. To me it seems mostly spread by people living outside of Europe trying to paint Europe in a bad light in order to push fear and anti-immigration policies in the general west.

Unfortunately, it's not an uncommon thing to hear from people when performing community outreach (think door knocking). External push, definitely, but it's also being repeated by the demographic this narrative is being pushed to. I can't comment on whether or not they believe it, but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland.

> but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland.

To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions".

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ben_w »

amarcheschi wrote: post #77
lostlogin wrote: post #48

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> Given this thread, imagine a complete rupture of relations between US and EU A Greenland invasion might lead to that. It’s such ridiculous thing to suggest as a trigger, but here we are.

>It’s such ridiculous thing to suggest as a trigger Not anymore, unfortunately

In fairness, we all ridiculing Trump for choosing this hill to die on.

(Along with several other ridiculous hills simultaneously, stretching the metaphor to breaking point).

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by jonathanstrange »

ljsprague wrote: post #106
zwnow wrote: post #45

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They're clearly not being replaced, as a look at the numbers indicates, but what is true for most European countries is that if the low birth rates stay far below 2.1 their populations will continue to decline and their economies will shrink, if they don't manage to offset that trend with controlled yearly immigration.

To clarify: Although it follows mathematically with constantly low birth rate, dying out is, of course, not a likely consequence. It seems likely that at some point when the economies shrink poverty would hit so seriously that the birth rates would start increasing again, as they seem to be negatively correlated with standards of living. However, we're talking about levels of shrinkage that feel like a collapse of the economy and social security/pension systems.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by u_sama »

Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

>There is a saying about how us citizens trust companies but not their government, and how Europeans trust their governments but not their companies.

This is a Danish blindspot, Europeans do not trust their governments in large (France is fractured, Southern Europe has endemic corruption, Germany is increasingly authoritarian in order to keep heterodox parties out) and this is in part the source behind the flare up of "far-right" movements in the continent. The infamous EU chat law doesnt help either, and all the abuses of Germany in their misuse of hate speech to punish speech is not a positive development. We do not have real alternatives to most American tech services, and administrations are unwilling to move to Linux based alternatives.

The EU is also not interested in strengthening the domestic software market by engaging in selective protectionism like the Chinese, because of the extensive lobbying by foreign and domestic actors which are the incumbents and see no interest in a competitive and dynamic environment which would destroy them.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ben_w »

drstewart wrote: post #96
ben_w wrote: post #52

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The companies would choose to operate in the EU if they could. The US government is throwing its weight around, appeares to be preparing to illegally annex bits of non-EU land in an EU member state, to sow propaganda to fracture the EU itself, and has already sanctioned EU judges for doing their jobs when their job is against US interests. Non-zero chance they will not have any choice in this. Gut feeling says we're…

>has already sanctioned EU judges for doing their jobs when their job is against US interests. Wow, this is scary. I assume EU would never punish US companies for doing their jobs when their job is against EU interests?

A judge making a ruling to listen to a case, issuing arrest warrants so those cases can proceed (arrest does not mean proven guilty!), is not supposed to be a valid target.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by hex-m »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

"Google-free" FOSS Android-builds (Graphene, /e/, iodé) are available today and usable for most tasks. Just make sure your government IDs and banking apps don't depend on proprietary Google-only features.
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