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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by iszomer »

denysvitali wrote: post #107
sschueller wrote: post #9

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

At least in Switzerland banks can choose to not use Play Integrity, but they generally don't want to. Yuh, which once was owned by both Postfinance and Swissquote, works without Play Integrity. Support for GrapheneOS is confirmed - see https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is... The real issue is that most "legacy" banks have to comply with stupid regulations that force them to come up with these…

SafeNet != SafetyNet nor Play Integrity?

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by tdeck »

andrepd wrote: post #109
kjksf wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Condemning the 7/Oct attacks as an unacceptable act of terrorism is "being a mouthpiece of Hamas"!!! Fucking _disgusting_, and many stronger words I'm trying my best to contain. We're reaching levels of wretchedness that I've never thought possible. Truly no shame anymore.

There wasn't shame before. Just a sense that they couldn't push the envelope too much without losing US support. Now that has been shattered.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by cinntaile »

embedding-shape wrote: post #93
pdpi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, moving here involved basically buying a plane ticket, and, after I got here, booking an appointment to get a National Insurance number (basically equivalent to an American Social Security number). Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that.

> Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that. I don't think it is? I moved to Spain from other EU country the same way, basically bought the cheapest one-way plane ticket I could find, spent ~1 month here before deciding I wanted to live here, then got myself the local residence card one morning and that's about it. Everything else just worked by using my passport in the meanti…

It's not just registering. This assumes you had a job contract lined up or sufficient funds to support yourself.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by nerdsniper »

embedding-shape wrote: post #20
sschueller wrote: post #9

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

> and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD What is this about? I'm a EU citizen, never heard about any EU citizen getting removed from any EU bank because of USD. Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow. Is there any link to a story about this?

Here’s one also currently on HN front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46432057

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by cromka »

raverbashing wrote: post #97
monooso wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this will help you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

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WOW. You think you can manipulate like that HERE, on HN? This isn't reddit or facebook, those fallacies don't work here.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by Youden »

denysvitali wrote: post #107
sschueller wrote: post #9

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

At least in Switzerland banks can choose to not use Play Integrity, but they generally don't want to. Yuh, which once was owned by both Postfinance and Swissquote, works without Play Integrity. Support for GrapheneOS is confirmed - see https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is... The real issue is that most "legacy" banks have to comply with stupid regulations that force them to come up with these…

I use GrapheneOS in Switzerland and am yet to find a bank or financial app that doesn't work. ZKB, UBS, Cembra, BEKB, SGKB, WIR, N26, Revolut, debiX+, SaxoTrader, Swisscard, various TWINT apps, YAPEAL and Yuh are all installed on my phone right now and all work. Most of them don't use the Play Integrity API at all and the few that do are satisfied with the minimal level that's satisfied by GrapheneOS.

The catch is that you need Google Play Services installed and for many, you need to disable GrapheneOS' "Secure App Spawning" feature, which often trips root detection heuristics.

I know many Russians living here and when sanctions came in, their accounts became unable to receive deposits until they provided evidence of a valid residence permit. Some have problems during permit renewals as well but overall, it's nothing like as bad as it is for Americans.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by aliher1911 »

danw1979 wrote: post #125

HSBC still operate a perfectly functional website for banking. The more people who continue to use this, the better. It sends a clear signal that customers prefer the open web over restrictive and inconvenient mobile apps. I’m also hanging on to my bank’s physical RSA fob as my 2FA, instead of using their app based version.

At least in UK, you'll need a physical token to do that. And you can't have both app and token. So if you had an app that is now not working, it'll take some time to get a token and restore your bank access.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by fpoling »

embedding-shape wrote: post #93
pdpi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, moving here involved basically buying a plane ticket, and, after I got here, booking an appointment to get a National Insurance number (basically equivalent to an American Social Security number). Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that.

> Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that. I don't think it is? I moved to Spain from other EU country the same way, basically bought the cheapest one-way plane ticket I could find, spent ~1 month here before deciding I wanted to live here, then got myself the local residence card one morning and that's about it. Everything else just worked by using my passport in the meanti…

In Barcelona it is impossible to get an appointment for the residence card. There is online booking system, but it never shows any available slots. But then there are few companies that for 50-100 euros can get an appointment.

But then even with appointment one only gets a temporary permit unless one already got a job offer. One gets the permanent card only after starting a business or buying a property or getting a work.

Also to open a permanent bank account one needs to have at least a temporary residence. Otherwise banks can only open a tourist account valid for few months.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by cromka »

raverbashing wrote: post #124
andrepd wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're the one advocating to help people whom not even their neighbours who share the same religion want nothing to do with it so I think you're the one who's joking

Just looking at the punctuation here makes it easy to guess you're fuming. No rational arguments, twisting the narration, moving goalposts and then frustrated because it doesn't work here, on HN.

You might want to find another outlet for that, why kick up the blood pressure this much?

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