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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by immibis »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #129
user764743 wrote: post #113

I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…

Maybe it's that people disagree with the politics, but also don't see a room for discussion.

In my experience, you are right - that is what most complaints of "too political" really mean.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by immibis »

embedding-shape wrote: post #19
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #12

I see a lot of great talks whose topic is worth attending. Are there any talks whose speakers are known for their expertise that one should pay attention to?

Personally I'm most excited about "Don’t look up: There are sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites" with Nadia Heninger & Annie Dai. Harald Welte's "ISDN + POTS Telephony at Congress and Camp" covers how they're doing telephone infrastructure at congress/conference itself, and will surely be interesting too: > Just like at this very event (39C3), the last few years a small group of volunteers has del…

I've seen this satellite thing before - it's already been published as a paper.

https://satcom.sysnet.ucsd.edu/docs/dontlookup_ccs25_fullpap...

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by Fnoord »

user764743 wrote: post #113

I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…

Having any hacker conference in the USA is a political choice, because it deters any non-US citizen from entry. The bars to enter the USA are high, including the coercion to hand over your accounts from social media.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by Sol- »

user764743 wrote: post #113

I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…

The shape of the politics changed, though. From civil rights, questioning authority and cypherpunk, which inherently has a libertarian bent, there's now much more identity politics and social justice / grievance culture with only tenuous connections to tech.

For a hacker conference, they also are pretty Luddite against new technologies like AI. It's a very conservative degrowth movement nowadays, all in all.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by tmsbrg »

Some talks which sound really brilliant. I love [0] exploiting a memory leak for years before it's fixed. Also [1] I'm really curious about the custom crypto used in Chinese apps. Oh and curious about the found [2] GPG vulnerabilities. I think some of the politics ones are actually also very interesting. Looking forward to the streams.

[0] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [1] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [2] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

pinkgolem wrote: post #130
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that There is one important difference: surveillance is a deeply computer-/hacking-related topics while migration isn't. So I would say a talk about surveillance (as long as it is relevant for hacking topics) typically has its place while it is much harder…

The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting

> The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting

(link to the talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8969-die_sprache_der_uberwacher )

Surveillance has relevance to core CCC/hacking topics (privacy is a central topic against which hackers fight), so I can understand why the organisers decided to include this talk in the schedule: they considered it to be a good idea that the audience should also get a "non-computer perspective" on a topic that is highly relevant to hackers.

But I agree that for the decision to include or not include this specific talk, the organisers have to apply an exceptionally good judgement: if they make a "wrong" decision here, people will immediately (rightfully) complain that the talks are too political (or if they "wronged" by non-inclusion of this talk, the other side will complain that important topics are omitted).

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by derriz »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #49
frankzander wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at leas…

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

> Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals.

So what? You’re not being asked or expected to feel empathy - just show tolerance. Which is the easiest virtue to develop - just ignore behavior which doesn’t threaten you.

If someone is doing their own thing - wearing a MAGA hat, a rainbow t-shirt or carrying a fluffy toy - it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Why does it bother you unless they’re getting in your face?

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by belter »

tmsbrg wrote: post #135

Some talks which sound really brilliant. I love [0] exploiting a memory leak for years before it's fixed. Also [1] I'm really curious about the custom crypto used in Chinese apps. Oh and curious about the found [2] GPG vulnerabilities. I think some of the politics ones are actually also very interesting. Looking forward to the streams. [0] https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... [1] https://fa…

The first one is indeed fascinating...almost deserving of its HN post :-)

It has been submitted six times in the last 10 months, with a grand total of 1 comment...I though this site had Hacker in the title...

https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgfw.report%2Fpublica...

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by Fnoord »

Dilettante_ wrote: post #74
izacus wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space. The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help eithe…

>it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space On the other hand, there is a discongruency when people who are against control and surveillance start implementing control and surveillance because the particular purpose…

> using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics

Why not use secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections in general?

Isn't it also clear who benefits from this decreased trust in politics, or the apathy in politics? It is always the same group: the far right authoritarians.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

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Post by Fnoord »

GuB-42 wrote: post #126
user764743 wrote: post #113

I'll never get people who say that there is too much politics at a god damn hacker conference like the CCC, considering The Chaos Computer Club was founded in 1981 specifically to be a political watchdog. more so especially since the very act of "hacking" is a political statement because it involves redistributing power over information. Code is law, remember? That would be like complaining about "too much law" at a…

For many hackers, it is just a game, a technical puzzle. The interesting part is overcoming the obstacles, the information or bounty money they get in the end is just the reward, its nature doesn't matter much. Even when there is no reward, people do it because it is fun. Like with lockpicking, many pickers work with the cylinder in a vise, and the lock is just a mechanical puzzle. That the lock can be attached to so…

Politics is a game too. With far less fun rules, unfortunately.
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