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The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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I wonder how we'll deal with the inability to tell what's true or not in the coming years. Even without full deepfakes.. just a gradual hypothetical restoration turning subtle hallucination in many many places.

Judging by how little people care about the veracity of claims made on social media and youtube (long before AI), not much will change. The root problem is that we don’t have very robust epistemic standards. We mostly go by vibes and what we want to be true.

the previous era of claims were not immensely large and not multimodal, now anything can be faked

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Sure, let's restrict statistics to any automobile used to transport merchandise. What do you think, ready to imagine such a comparison?

Sure. In 2022, 672 pedestrians were killed by large trucks. How many of those do you believe happened in say New York City? And how many of those do you think you could eliminate with this hypothetical tunnel system? And how much will this hypothetical tunnel system cost? New York has about 300 pedestrian deaths total from all vehicles every year. So my guesstimate is that if you eliminated all of the trucks from New…

it is not possible to eliminate the risk from the absolute requirement to move heavy bulk stuff, through and in citys. roads need work, big things break and fail ,wherever they are, new stuff gets built, again, precisly, wherever, it gets built. civil engineering is completly mature,and wildly boreing,and will dry your eyes out. much of the cannon is millenia old, with fuck all room to "inovate" and what works in one place, is a total fail somewhere else. what is more is that the ancient world is littered with the ruins of civilisations and citys, that did fail, and in every case part or all of that failure was to overextend, undermaintain, there infrastructure, or worse, jump to some new flashy thing that then fails, spectacularly. having walked through those ruins, and marvled at there engineering and planning of infrastructure, and also become a keen reader of all things civil or infrastructure engineerin, and also aircraft engineering, where the most important concept is up front, "failure mode", I have no respect for sudden ideas, and approve of what China has done to prohibit un educated comentary on infrastructure development and implimentation. "influencer engineering" by way of "saftey"

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #125

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"Fuel efficient" - that's probably why. If the fuel efficiency more than off sets the additional weight, for range then four stroke might be indicated. There are lots of other factors to consider.

I guess this is an old engine, but it's bizarre to me that fuel efficiency could be a factor for something this slow and light.

Presumably carrying fuel on the device was a consideration so greater fuel efficiency helps reduce the amount of petrol you’re lugging around.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #127

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Check out the recent moves on Atlas. https://youtu.be/I44_zbEwz_w?si=sFS5XUhNtwEz_ebH

How much will those robots cost? How many will we be able to make within the next 30 years? How will they be autonomous considering bipedal operation in random environments is MUCH, MUCH harder that full self driving for cars on public roads? And that's just moving around, we're talking about actual judgement to do a human job that requires reasoning and practical skills. Jetson type robots are a pipe dream at this p…

Right. My comment wasn't about maids from the Jetsons. General purpose robots are not soon. But for more specific tasks we've come very far in the last decade.

Warehouse automation is a reality today. Package delivery is also, just not broadly across the US. But it is very much happening right now.

Specifically my comment was about package delivery, which appears to be around the corner for most major cities, and already in place in several major cities around the world.

For indoor delivery, you don't really need Atlas. A 4 wheeled "full self drive" can fairly easily navigate cubicles and press elevator buttons. It's really not that crazy, and doesn't require any reasoning whatsoever. Basic preprogrammed pathfinding borrowed from any modern video game works fine for this. I don't think you need any advanced AI, let alone AGI.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, let's restrict statistics to any automobile used to transport merchandise. What do you think, ready to imagine such a comparison?

Sure. In 2022, 672 pedestrians were killed by large trucks. How many of those do you believe happened in say New York City? And how many of those do you think you could eliminate with this hypothetical tunnel system? And how much will this hypothetical tunnel system cost? New York has about 300 pedestrian deaths total from all vehicles every year. So my guesstimate is that if you eliminated all of the trucks from New…

Nitpick: it is one life per year for the billion invested. Which after the typical metro infrastructure lifespan of a century is actually viable because the cost for a working-age US life in medical and other contexts is probably around the $10mn ballpark.

(Assuming financing happens cheaply by the federal state rather than via PPP grift; and assuming that $50bn is the number, which in NYC is an underestimate by a factor of at least five…)

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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I guess tripping on LSD L being pound, libre S being shilling D being pennies, I’m guess denari because someone went to grammar school

S for solidus (Latin again). The pound symbol £ is an L. The names are way older than grammar schools. The way to write and "pronounce" a sum is like this: £2 3/6: "two pounds, three and six". There are lots more "rules": 1d is a penny, 2d is tupence and 3d is thrupence, 1/2d is a ha'penny (pronounced something like "hayp-knee"). So 2 1/2d = tuppence, ha'penny. For good measure you also have terms such as: "ha'perth"…

Well traditionally a price might also be said as "two and six" or so. I believe written as just 2/6 as you put it. A £ was a lot so guess didn't see most of the time.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #127

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How much will those robots cost? How many will we be able to make within the next 30 years? How will they be autonomous considering bipedal operation in random environments is MUCH, MUCH harder that full self driving for cars on public roads? And that's just moving around, we're talking about actual judgement to do a human job that requires reasoning and practical skills. Jetson type robots are a pipe dream at this p…

Right. My comment wasn't about maids from the Jetsons. General purpose robots are not soon. But for more specific tasks we've come very far in the last decade. Warehouse automation is a reality today. Package delivery is also, just not broadly across the US. But it is very much happening right now. Specifically my comment was about package delivery, which appears to be around the corner for most major cities, and alr…

Going up random stairs is not the same thing, though.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #72

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Per capita that's table scraps.

I don't even know what that means. Residential streets with little traffic don't even need bike lines. But many of the busiest avenues have them. NYC could always do better, but there's nothing "table scraps" here? It's massively improved my cycling experience. And it gets better every year.

How much surface land does public transit occupy per primary transit user? How much does pedestrian-first and bicycle-first occupy per primary walking/cyclists? Now how much land does car-first take per person primarily using car for mobility?

The last is far, far higher than the others. Depending on the city, cats get dedicated infrastructure covering 25-75% of all land! Add buildings and parks and you get scraps for everything not cars.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #125

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"Fuel efficient" - that's probably why. If the fuel efficiency more than off sets the additional weight, for range then four stroke might be indicated. There are lots of other factors to consider.

I guess this is an old engine, but it's bizarre to me that fuel efficiency could be a factor for something this slow and light.

A major factor if you actually are using it to get anywhere, because it’s likely not practical to carry more than a liter or so of fuel.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#140
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. In 2022, 672 pedestrians were killed by large trucks. How many of those do you believe happened in say New York City? And how many of those do you think you could eliminate with this hypothetical tunnel system? And how much will this hypothetical tunnel system cost? New York has about 300 pedestrian deaths total from all vehicles every year. So my guesstimate is that if you eliminated all of the trucks from New…

Nitpick: it is one life per year for the billion invested. Which after the typical metro infrastructure lifespan of a century is actually viable because the cost for a working-age US life in medical and other contexts is probably around the $10mn ballpark. (Assuming financing happens cheaply by the federal state rather than via PPP grift; and assuming that $50bn is the number, which in NYC is an underestimate by a fa…

That’s a really good point. This is all very back-of-the-envelope, but if the total cost per life saved were 10 million it gets into the ballpark of sane.

But as you noted this 50 billion is likely a major underestimate (for comparison the recently built SR-99 tunnel in Seattle cost 1 billion per linear mile and connects to approximately zero buildings via elevators). NYC covers 300 square miles and estimates are that there are upwards of a million buildings across 120k city blocks.

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