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Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by smoovb »

93po wrote: post #62

Electrek notoriously lies and fibs and stretches the truth to hate on Tesla and Elon as much as possible when it serves their own best interests. This one is misleading both in that 8 "crashes" is statistically insignificant to draw conclusions as to its safety compared to humans, but also because these 'crashes' are not actually crashes and instead a variety of things, including hitting a wild animal of unknown size…

So Seth Weintraub sold $TSLA at $35 a share in Jan 2020. Today $467. Then Seth missed out on gains of 1,200%. And Fred selling in Sep, 2024 missed out on 100% gains.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by fragmede »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #96
randoglando wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because of selection bias. In the older vehicles, customers won't turn on autopilot if they think it won't handle the situation. So, they turn it on highways and easier paths.

There is also another possibility. People often don't report minor accidents. Someone scrapes a pole without causing enough damage to hit their insurance deductible, are they going to file a police report? Mostly not. And then the older number had that in it and the newer one doesn't. But the number for human drivers works like the old number. They're dividing miles driven by reported accidents. On top of that, they'…

Let's be real. The real bar is drunk humans. I can scream and yell and not be friends with anybody who would put other people in danger like that, and they'll still drive drunk. FSD is good enough that it'll detect the driver's fallen asleep and pull over and park the car. Tesla can't talk about that for obvious legal reasons, but that's already saved many lives. Unfortunately we can't know those stats for comparison and holy shit people need to not drive drunk, but DUI laws don't cure addiction.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by fragmede »

tim333 wrote: post #109
TheAmazingRace wrote: post #4

When you have a CEO like Elon who swears up and down that you only need cameras for autonomous driving vehicles, and skimping out on crucial extras like Li-DAR, can anyone be surprised by this result? Tesla also likes to take the motto of "move fast and break things" to a fault.

I'm not surprised, more because there was info on Reddit that Tesla FSDs were having disengagements every 200 miles or some such in urban environments. Camera only probably could work in the future but seemingly not yet.

It's easy to argue that LIDAR is expensive and unnecessary, but radar has been a standard for luxury cruise control for decades so it's got a variety of OEM suppliers. Thus Tesla's lack of radar because of the CEO's ego is damnable. The problem with camera-only is fog. My human eyes don't penetrate fog. Radar does. Proving that camera-only is possible is stupid and ego driven and doesn't come from a place of merit and science and technology.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by guywithahat »

dyauspitr wrote: post #42
guywithahat wrote: post #15

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The more I've looked into the topic the less I think the removal of lidar was a cost issue. I think there are a lot of benefits to simplifying your sensor tech stack, and while I won't pretend to know the best solution removing things like lidar and ultrasonic sensors seem to have been a decision about improving performance. By doubling down on cameras your technical team can remain focused on certain sensor technolo…

This is a solved problem. Many people I know including myself use Waymo’s on a weekly basis. They are rock solid. Waymo has pretty unequivocally solved the problem. There is no wait and see.

I mean if waymo had unequivocally solved the problem the country would be covered in them, and the only limit to their expansion would be how many cars they can produce. Currently they're limited by how quickly they can train on new areas, which is likely slowed by the fact they're using over 20 sensors across four different types. On the other hand, Tesla could spread across the country tomorrow if they were reliable enough. I would think solving autonomous driving would imply you could go nation wide with your product

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by hnburnsy »

Search Google news and just this week and you will see Waymo blocked a parade for 45 minutes, drove into a police crime scene in LA, and two crashed into each other blocking a third. Stuff happens, but obviously Fred rarely reports the Waymo incidents but he is quck to write about every Tesla one.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/two-self-driving-waymos-...

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by ajross »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #63
habosa wrote: post #45

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Yeah as much as I think that Tesla is full of shit, there’s no way this is true. I don’t know a single person that’s driven 500k miles lifetime but everyone I know has been in at least one minor accident.

The average American drives more than 600k miles in a lifetime.

Not to nitpick, but that means if you sample randomly then you're going to find that the great majority of Americans have, in fact, driven less than 500k miles in their life.

Also I don't think that's correct; that's a ton of driving! I strongly suspect the number you're citing is the number of miles an average American spends in a road vehicle, not actually driving it. But that counts the same "car-mile" multiple times for all the occupants, when the statistic we're arguing about right now is about the vehicle, not the occupants.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by dyauspitr »

guywithahat wrote: post #134
dyauspitr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a solved problem. Many people I know including myself use Waymo’s on a weekly basis. They are rock solid. Waymo has pretty unequivocally solved the problem. There is no wait and see.

I mean if waymo had unequivocally solved the problem the country would be covered in them, and the only limit to their expansion would be how many cars they can produce. Currently they're limited by how quickly they can train on new areas, which is likely slowed by the fact they're using over 20 sensors across four different types. On the other hand, Tesla could spread across the country tomorrow if they were reliabl…

Tesla literally has a guy sitting in there.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by fragmede »

karlgkk wrote: post #127
fragmede wrote: post #81

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We don't know enough about the internals of either one of them to make a judgement. The only one that is, is Comma.ai.

Waymo just reached 20 million public unsupervised rides. When will it be validated enough for Tesla fanboys? (Answer: never)

Fanboy or not, we don't know how much Waymo's model relies on an army of contractors labeling every stop light, sign, and trash can that, sure, they're using LIDAR to detect them and not cameras. We also don't know much about Tesla's Robotaxi initiative and how much human help they're relying on either.

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by altairprime »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #125
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #12

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It should say INDUSTRIAL ROBOT. You wouldn't willingly enter the hazard zone of a KUKA. Why should we casually accept them roaming free?

Funny how one side of commenters scream these are roaming free and killing people while others say they are still crashing with all the babysitting by safety driver.

Why not both?

Re: Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash

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Post by oska »

cn-watch wrote: post #95
randoglando wrote: post #92

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He's a complicated figure. He has done so much good as well. EVs in the US and reusable rockets owe a lot to him. OTOH, so does the cesspool that is X.

There are no elon musk museums. There are no elon musk hospitals. There are no elon musk centers for unwed mothers. How could the richest man in the world give so little back.

Let's just ignore Tesla's enormous positive health impact of replacing millions of polluting vehicles with zero emission ones
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