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AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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I often give the follow analogy which I think is a good proxy to what is going on. Spreadsheets! They are everywhere. In fact, they are so abundant these days that that many are spawned for a quick job and immediately discarded. In fact, the cost of having these spreadsheets is practically zero so in many cases one may find themselves having hundreds if not thousands of them sitting around with no indication to ever…

There are SO MANY Excel sheets someone automated a decade+ ago still used in essential parts of the government and big corporations.

Nobody knows how they work, very few have the skills or time to edit them or check them. People just use them for the convenience.

The magic sauce of Excel is that it's free an scriptable (programmable even). If you want a SaaS, you need to involve IT, Legal, your supervisors and it's a whole-ass thing of contracts and shit.

Excel? It's just there.

There are so many stories and anecdotes of people being in stupid data entry jobs, getting bored and finding out their whole job can be automated with a single smartly done Excel sheet. Then they press F9 once per day and do something else for the rest of the time =)

And just because, my main gripe about Excel: there are no unit tests or validators for it. There's no easy way to programmatically confirm that Cell C5 has the same formula as C875

If (when?) people start AI-coding the things they used to use Excel for, we might get some actual tests and validation to confirm what the code is supposed to actually happens.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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Many SaaS are not products, but 1-2 features. And an LLM can generate a single-purpose script to replace that one feature you're using. Opus 4.5 does that very well.

As for Retool, I see the several waves of low/no-code products, the current one being LLMs, as repeated attempts to get non technical idea-guys to build their ideas. Where they all fail, and this is fundamental to the problem they're trying to solve, is that idea-guys' ideas crack when meeting reality. And neither Retool nor LLM fix that.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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> Agents don't leave How wrong the author is about that! IMO As soon as the bubble bursts, which is already evident and imminent, these agents will raise their subscription fees to ridiculous amounts. And when that happens, entire organizations will abandon them and return to good ol' human engineering

But local agents will still keep working. Of course they're not as poweful as an acre of industrially cooled compute power, but still a massive improvement over "Intellisense" and code snippets.

You're 100% right though, you shouldn't build your business on top of an AI service and not have a plan what to do _when_ it either goes away or just prices itself out. It's a massive bubble where money is just moving in a circle.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

#135
I am the founder of a niche SaaS (https://partsbox.com/ — software for managing electronic parts inventory and production). While I am somewhat worried about AI capabilities, I'm not losing too much sleep over it.

The worry is that customers who do not realize the full depth of the problem will implement their own app using AI. But that happens today, too: people use spreadsheets to manage their electronic parts (please don't) and BOMs (bills of materials). The spreadsheet is my biggest competitor.

I've been designing and building the software for 10 years now and most of the difficulty and complexity is not in the code. Coding is the last part, and the easiest one. The real value is in understanding the world (the processes involved) and modeling it in a way that cuts a good compromise between ease of use and complexity.

Sadly, as I found out, once you spend a lot of time thinking and come up with a model, copycats will clone that (as well as they can, but superficially it will look similar).

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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I'm CTO at a vertical SaaS company, paired with a product-focused CEO with deep domain expertise. The thesis doesn't match my experience. For one thing, the threat model assumes customers can build their own tools. Our end users can't. Their current "system" is Excel. The big enterprises that employ them have thousands of devs, but two of them explicitly cloned our product and tried to poach their own users onto it.…

I second this. Most of our customers IT department struggle to look at the responses from their failed API calls. Their systems and organisations are just too big.

As it stands today; just a bit of complexity is all that is required to make AI Agents fail. I expect the gap to narrow over the years of course. But capturing complex business logic and simplifying it will probably be useful and worth paying for a long time into the future.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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This article made no sense to me. It is talking about AI-generated code eating SaaS. That's not what is going to replace SaaS. When AI is able to do the job itself — without generating code — that's what is going to replace SaaS. AI-generated code still requires software engineers to build, test, debug, deploy, secure, monitor, be on-call, handle incidents, and so on. That's very expensive. It is much cheaper to pay…

> AI-generated code still requires software engineers to build, test, debug, deploy, ensure security, monitor, be on-call, handle incidents, and so on. That's very expensive. It is much cheaper to pay a small monthly fee to a SaaS company. Yeah it's a fundamental misunderstanding of economies of scale. If you build an in-house app that does X, you incur 100% of the maintenance costs. If you're subscribed to a SaaS pr…

"Wake me up when we see swaths of companies AI-coding internal Jira".

This shouldnt be the goal. The goal should be to build an AI that can tell you what is done and what needs to be done i.e. replace jira with natural interactions. An AI that can "see" and "understand" your project. An AI that can see it, understand it, build it and modify it. I know this is not happening for the next few decades or so.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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Note that the author does not mention a single specific SaaS subscription he’s cancelled or seen a team cancel. The only named product was Retool.

We just had a $240/year renewal for teamretro.com come due, and while TeamRetro has a lot of components, we are only using the retro and ice breaker components. So I gave Claude Code a couple of prompts and I now have a couple static HTML pages that do the ice breaker (using local storage) and the retro (using a Google sheet as the storage backend, largely because it mimics our pre-teamretro process). It took me no m…

> It took me no more than 2 hours to put those together. We didn't renew our TeamRetro

Okay, so two hours with an LLM vs maybe 2.5 days without an LLM in the best-case scenario (i.e. LLMs gave you a 10x boost. I would expect it to be less than that though, like maybe a 2x boost) - it sounds like it was always pretty cheap to replace the SaaS, but the business didn't do it.

TBH, the arguments were never "It would take too long to do ourselves", it was always "but then we'd have to maintain it ourselves".

The place I am consulting at now just moved (i.e. a month ago) from their in-house built ticketing system ($0/m as it had not needed maintenance for over a year) to Jira (~$2k/m).

In this specific case, it was literally 0 hours to avoid paying the SaaS, and they still moved, because they wanted some modern features (billing for time on support calls, etc) and figured that rather than update their in-house system to add support hours costing (a day, at most) they may as well move to a system that already had it.

(Joke's on them though - the Jira solution for support hours costing is not near the level of granularity they need, even with multiple paid plugins).

Once again, companies aren't using SaaS because it's cheaper or quicker; they could already quickly replace their SaaS with in-house.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

#139
I think that there have always been a ton of SaaS things that are basically circular - startup company paying silly amounts per month to another startup company. I think the market for these things will drop as part of AI, but I think that was always going to be the case with higher interest rates as investors questioned the revenue/spend balance.

When it comes to SaaS that's industry specific, I just don't see it'll be that much of a change any time soon. I've worked heavily in the engineering industry and the security requirements that get put upon anything are nuts. It is difficult to enter this market, ISO compliance is important, even being in the cloud is a barrier for some customers, and often the type that you have no choice but to contract with if you want to make a profit because of their outsized importance in the market.

When I speak to customers, they actually quite often have tried to build something themselves. Usually it's been an intern or grad trying to make their life easier. Often it's spreadsheet based, but some go as far as knocking up little Python web apps. In one company I interned in they had a shadow PHP app. They often have a small 'data science' team that has struggled to get access to the data they need. While they can often get something that does the barebones of the tasks, and can do it well, where they fall down is that they're vulnerable to security issues and can't navigate their internal company politics to get permission to host things in the cloud and make their life easy, plus they don't have the experience to know what's good practice. I don't see AI changing things that much in that.

Re: AI agents are starting to eat SaaS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps OP's argument still applies to dev-oriented SaaS. Are you as a dev still going to pay for analytics and dashboards that you could have propped up by Claude in 5 minutes instead?

Yes, because then I know the code is properly engineering, tested, maintained and supported. Generating code is one part of software engineering is a small part of SaaS.

I'd love for SaaS to stay thriving but the flip side is simply the harsh reality that my own second thought these days is immediately "how easily will an agent replace my idea? yea probably quite easily..."
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