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Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by yareally »

DANmode wrote: post #90
godelski wrote: post #44

I absolutely love this! # Suggestion: You really should release parts as parametric or at least the source files. I see everything is an STL and STLs are just a pain to work with. Suppose we want to try with mice? Or what about my cat? I do not expect just scaling in my slicer is going to end up with a good result, I'll need to redo everything from scratch. But parametric parts? That gives us a lot faster iteration.…

Anecdotally: Cats like fruit ninja.

Funny enough, so does my green cheek conure (small parrot about the side of a fist). Their beaks are made from keratin, like our nails, so it's conductive when touching the screen.

The hiss of the bombs gets him a bit angry though. Parrots hiss and it kind of sounds like that.

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by hashstring »

aw124 wrote: post #118

I'm opposed to this project because it involves using animals in medical experiments, which I believe is never ethically justifiable. It goes against basic moral and ethical principles regarding animal treatment. If the project were designed to allow animals to choose whether or not to participate, it would be more acceptable. Some scientists have already explored such approaches. By not giving animals a choice, you'…

Thank you, it’s good to read a thoughtful response instead of the median “ooh I love this” “i love rats and I love doom too”.

Human self-centredness is often insufferable.

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

chickenhun wrote: post #23

Good news: Here's a cute video of Todd being habituated to the setup: https://x.com/yolorun_capital/status/1999598643339227564 Bad news: no video of them playing on this setup, just on the previous version. We iterated on v2 too long, our pet rats grew old and couldn't be trained. We open-sourced the hardware and software so others can build upon it. You can TLDR the whole thing in this thread: https://x.com/yolorun_…

How can you go through this immense effort and not have and show a video of the rats playing?

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by buttercraft »

aw124 wrote: post #118

I'm opposed to this project because it involves using animals in medical experiments, which I believe is never ethically justifiable. It goes against basic moral and ethical principles regarding animal treatment. If the project were designed to allow animals to choose whether or not to participate, it would be more acceptable. Some scientists have already explored such approaches. By not giving animals a choice, you'…

From the author's comment up thread:

"when they learnt to run on the ball and how that influences their reward, they got hooked. I believe they enjoy not just the reward, they get a sense of how their actions influence the game and they like that. They would run on the ball so much at some point they wouldn't even bother drinking all the juice and it was just dripping on the setup."

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by [deleted] »

rendall wrote: post #114

I think there is probably an anthropocentric flaw in the rat display. Human eyes are side-by-side and forward, with a big binocular overlap and a clear vanishing point. A forward-facing curved screen fits that geometry well. Rats' eyes, by contrast, are lateral. They have a much wider field of view, a tiny binocular zone, and use motion and contrast more than neat perspective lines. A single human-style "cinema scree…

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Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by Buttons840 »

theultdev wrote: post #91
komali2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The colorful plastic chips work well enough to trick our dumb monkey brains, just like red notification bubbles.

You missed the point. The chips are exchanged for money shortly after. The brain knows this. Similar to the rat knowing the sugar comes very shortly after the task.

Yep. And money is just another kind of chip. What's so great about money?

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by cube00 »

aw124 wrote: post #118

I'm opposed to this project because it involves using animals in medical experiments, which I believe is never ethically justifiable. It goes against basic moral and ethical principles regarding animal treatment. If the project were designed to allow animals to choose whether or not to participate, it would be more acceptable. Some scientists have already explored such approaches. By not giving animals a choice, you'…

I struggle to see how it's a acceptance that it's done at someone's home without the animal experiment safe guards and ethics oversight you'd get at a research facility.

Topped off with a plug to get your email address for their new startup.

Re: Rats Play DOOM

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Post by [deleted] »

aw124 wrote: post #118

I'm opposed to this project because it involves using animals in medical experiments, which I believe is never ethically justifiable. It goes against basic moral and ethical principles regarding animal treatment. If the project were designed to allow animals to choose whether or not to participate, it would be more acceptable. Some scientists have already explored such approaches. By not giving animals a choice, you'…

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