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Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by ETH_start »

N_Lens wrote: post #106
oceanplexian wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why then, outside of Norway, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and the UAE (All of which are tiny countries, and at least two of them are Petrostates), does the United States have the world's highest median income with a population of over 342 million people? The typical American is insanely wealthy by global standards.

Wealth inequality is worse now than the era of robber barons & gilded age.

The 1870-1900 period experienced the greatest expansion of U.S. industry, and the fastest rise in both U.S. wages and U.S. life expectancy, in history.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by andsoitis »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #74
roenxi wrote: post #60

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> we need a hyper-productive world where someone working a few hours a year generates enough wealth to secure a comfortable lifestyle up there with the best of them. This is naive, productivity increases had decoupled from compensation a long time ago. See https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ for example. AI certainly can create wealth, and in fact already did (hey NVDA), but somehow that did not trickle down. I…

> for example. AI certainly can create wealth, and in fact already did (hey NVDA), but somehow that did not trickle down.

The millions of people who use NVDA’s products do not get value from it? Isn’t it making their lives richer?

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by rubyfan »

ETH_start wrote: post #124
rubyfan wrote: post #34

Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

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> AI agents being able to do jobs means more income for U.S.-based companies, which translates to higher wages for U.S.-based workers.

Um, no. Higher productivity translates to greater return on equity for those that hold it, not necessarily workers.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by noduerme »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #107
oceanplexian wrote: post #79

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> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

Maybe it should be. The system here in the US has produced some great innovations at the cost of great misery among the non-wealthy. At a time when technology promises an easier life, it only seems to benefit the wealthy, while trying to discard everyone else. The light at the end of the tunnel is a 1%-er about to laughingly crush you beneath their wheels.

I don't think this is the strongest argument. Every technological revolution so far has initially benefited the wealthy and taken a generation or two for its effects to lift the masses out of previous levels of poverty, but ultimately each one has.

To me the stronger argument about AI is that this revolution won't. And that's because this one is not really about productivity or even about capital investment in things that people nominally would want (faster transport, cheaper cotton, home computers). This one is about ending revolution once and for all; it's not about increeasing the wealth of the wealthy, it's about being the first to arrive at AGI and thus cementing that wealth disparity for all perpetuity. It's the endgame.

I don't know if that's true, but that's to me the argument as to why this one is exceptional and why the capitalist argument for American prosperity is inapplicable in this case.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by zdragnar »

rudedogg wrote: post #119
oceanplexian wrote: post #79

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> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

> Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Copyright law is another counter-example to your argument. But somehow? that’s no longer a concern if you have enough money. I guess the trick is to steal from literally everyone so that no one entity can claim any measurable portion of the output as damages. I’ve always thought Copyright should be w…

Copyright has nothing to do with banning technology. It is a set of rules around a particular kind of property rights.

There are things you can do with technology that are banned as a result of copyright protections, but the underlying technologies are not banned, only the particular use of them is.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by nhaehnle »

lesuorac wrote: post #44
peterlk wrote: post #42

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The link is highly relevant to the executive order because this executive order attempts to place limitations on what laws US states can create.

EOs aren't law though. They're guidance for the rest of the executive branch on how to execute the laws written by congress. The Legislative branch (Congress) not the Executive branch (White House) can preempt states.

That's the whole point. They aren't law, and they were (probably) never meant to be so far-reaching, and yet the clear purpose of this Executive Order is to tell the states what laws they can enact. The EO doesn't have the legal power to do that directly, but it clearly outlines the intention to withdraw federal funding from states that refuse to toe the line.

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Post by davidw »

jfengel wrote: post #126
whynotmaybe wrote: post #59

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That's lobbying simplified, no need to pay lobbyist.

Lobbying is tightly regulated, and the FEC really does keep a close eye. This is just flat out bribery, using the thinnest of legal fig leaves. Which would not possibly pass muster if he hadn't also packed the court with supporters.

> does keep a close eye

"kept", I think.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by mikeyouse »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #104
SilverElfin wrote: post #86

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It is definitely naked corruption. Lobbying was always around, but I would say that with this administration things are a lot more transactional and a lot more in the open. Companies like Palantir and Anduril and others are being gifted contracts all over the place - that’s money we taxpayers are losing.

> Companies like . . . Anduril are being gifted contracts all over the place - that’s money we taxpayers are losing. Can you point to a concrete example of this?

It's hard to say what they're actually qualified to do but they went from receiving 1 or 2 contracts per year in the early 2020s for a few 10s of millions and I think one larger $200M one to this since Trump was reelected;

$200M - https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/1527a7adaff14a5280fc7...

$140M - https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/c0203e75ec2949e78966f...

$31M - https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/8b0b944955064864942fc...

$1M - https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/86d997fbd8a74d0cb298c...

$642M over 10 years - https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/c9878b113f5143cba7edb...

$3.1M - https://sam.gov/opp/f15d4b63ebc846cd9f4870cfa0772fff/view

$160M - https://www.anduril.com/news/anduril-awarded-contract-to-red...

$86M - https://www.anduril.com/news/special-operations-command-sele...

$100M - https://www.anduril.com/news/anduril-awarded-usd99-6m-for-u-...

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by nhaehnle »

chrisjj wrote: post #13

True current title: Trump signs executive order aimed at preventing states from regulating AI

In particular, the bulk of the substantial text of the order has a pretty clear culture war bend with all the talk about how truthful AI is. This is in large part a fight over the political leaning of AI models.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by N_Lens »

eastof wrote: post #115
xeonmc wrote: post #12

In a parallel universe, the government in the 20th century signed bills protecting tobacco giants from State regulation to encourage investments furthering the country’s international competitiveness in the tobacco industry.

In a parallel universe tobacco is critical to the national security interest of the state. I feel you and other commenters in this thread are ignoring the fact that the outcome of the next war will likely be decided on the cyber front.

I don’t think humanity will survive the next war.
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