The web is built on standards/RFCs (laws) + implementation and enforcement of those standards (executive). The citizens of the web are just as apathetic/short-sighted as your average voter and will embrace the walled garden (authoritarianism) if it fits their current narrative.
The web runs on tolerance
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Re: The web runs on tolerance
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are technically right if the goal is to stop ANY kind of discrimination. But is that the goal?
I don't know, and I admit I was operating under that assumption. But is that not the goal? Is there some kind of discrimination which is "good", and should go on?
I think you're raising the paradox of tolerance.
Should I accept technically perfect PRs if they contain comments and messages with hate speak?
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Does not besetting people with slurs count as "diversity" now? It depends whom you ask! There are certainly some people both off- and on-line who seem to think that uniformly slurring all white, male, cis-sexual, whatever folks as "oppressors" - and even occasionally suggesting, apparently as a serious political proposal, that "Whiteness" (whatever that means) is something that should be forcibly done away with - i…
> "Whiteness" (whatever that means) Maybe you could look it up instead of dismissing it out of hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_theory Feel free to disagree afterwards, but the words do have meaning. And not knowing them is not an argument against it.
Holy smokes that is quite a page
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Does not besetting people with slurs count as "diversity" now? It depends whom you ask! There are certainly some people both off- and on-line who seem to think that uniformly slurring all white, male, cis-sexual, whatever folks as "oppressors" - and even occasionally suggesting, apparently as a serious political proposal, that "Whiteness" (whatever that means) is something that should be forcibly done away with - i…
I suspect this is a pretty fringe position. I read quite a bit of center to left coded media, and I haven't seen it. I will say that I'm not on Facebook, Instagram, or tiktok though, so I might be missing a cultural moment. I have seen people point out that the concept of "whiteness" has shifted over time, and doesn't really have an immutable meaning.
DEI trainers/programs (like you get at work) are informed by CRT (the stuff above).
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#135When I finished reading it I thought it was an anti-Trump piece, but the author also wrote: "That's why it baffles me that some prominent technologists embrace hateful ideologies.". Was Trump a techie too? He must have been behind the creation of JS. "The ARM processor which powers the modern world was co-designed by a trans woman." This is not factually correct. Roger Wilson was one of the designers of the processor…
The transgenderist stance is that once a man announces he is a woman, then he was always a woman and always will be. Unless he detransitions of course. Then he was always a man and always will be. Same for when a woman declares that she is a man.
So a man who builds his entire career as a man, with all the privilege that brings, as Wilson did, can identify as a woman and these prior achievements now all become that of a woman. Even if this stretches plausibility, what with the sexism of the industry at the time. He can even receive accolades reserved for women, as if he had to work ten times as hard to be taken seriously in a male-dominated field.
This rewriting of history is also why, for example, film credits listing Ellen Page have been retrospectively updated to Elliot Page even though there was no Elliot Page at the time of filming.
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#136> History shows us that all progress comes from the meeting of diverse people, with different ideas, and different backgrounds.
Maybe don't discard people as "hateful" just because you don't agree with their ideas then.
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know, and I admit I was operating under that assumption. But is that not the goal? Is there some kind of discrimination which is "good", and should go on?
I think you're raising the paradox of tolerance. Should I accept technically perfect PRs if they contain comments and messages with hate speak?
There is no paradox of tolerance. This is a social contract, once you break it you are not entitled to it, simple. Also speech, not speak.
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#138The older ones among us remember when XML took over the world and everyone was supposed to use strict XHTML. It turned out that the strength of the HTML ecosystem was its fault tolerance. HTML4 was the "sloppy" answer to XHTML. It brought HTML back from a data language to a markup language. Every Markdown parser is similarly fault-tolerant as HTML parsers. However, CSS and JS are not error-tolerant. A syntax error in…
> However, CSS and JS are not error-tolerant. A syntax error in a CSS rule causes it to be ignored.
This is good though as it provides a means for progressive enhancement using new features only when they are available and falling back on previous rules if they are not. It's very different from the syntax error -> RIP page nonsense of XHTML.
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
What left-wing extremism was that, exactly? Extreme upholding of human rights and equality? Extreme kindness and respect for fellow human beings? Extreme acceptance of people from all backgrounds, religious beliefs and sexual orientation? Extreme letting people live their damn life in whatever way they want as long as it doesn't harm others? Yeah, who wouldn't want to push back on that, sounds terrible eh? So on this…
>Extreme kindness and respect for fellow human beings? I hope not towards people that disagree with you or are labeled with an ism since they are monster. >Extreme acceptance of people from all backgrounds, religious beliefs and sexual orientation? Does that include Jihadists and child molester/groomer? >So on this so-called extreme left, what exactly was/is so bad? That is left as an exercise for the reader if you m…
Obviously those policies don't apply when dealing with people who don't adhere to those policies - I figured I didn't have to spell that out because it's been covered a very long time ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Re: The web runs on tolerance
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Whiteness" (whatever that means) Maybe you could look it up instead of dismissing it out of hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_theory Feel free to disagree afterwards, but the words do have meaning. And not knowing them is not an argument against it.
Holy smokes that is quite a page
Hmm yeah it's quite badly written. Either way, let's just say it's an example of a place where one can look stuff like this up.
"Ending whiteness" does not mean "killing all white people" or "eradicating all European cultures" or whatever the parent comment was implying. (Or am I reading too much into it?) Though perhaps you can find some moron calling for that on Twitter.