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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

I would say that your comment is an addition to mine, and I think so too. This is another reason for the popularity of github.

As for me, this does not negate the convenient things that I originally wrote about.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

#132

LLMs are useful, but AI is itself a marketing term that has begun to lose its luster. It’s rapidly becoming an annoying or trendy label, not a cutting edge one. I guarantee that in ~24 months, most AI features will still remain in some form or another on most apps, but the marketing language of AI-first will have evaporated entirely.

> AI is itself a marketing term that has begun to lose its luster. It’s rapidly becoming an annoying or trendy label, not a cutting edge one. Where have you been the last 15 years? However, I agree with your prediction. Coke making AI advertisements may have had cache a couple years ago, but now would be a doofus move.

Have you watched broadcast TV lately? Every single advert is AI generated. Pay attention and you’ll see the telltale signs: stitched together 3 second clips with continuity problems, every showdown from a fixed set of compositions, etc. it’s just less noticeable to the average viewer than that coke ad.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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How do you buy an e.V.?

You goes to BYD dealership???

I said e.V., not EV. Codeberg is an e.V., i.e. a "registered association" in Germany. I am not actually sure if you could technically buy an e.V., but I am 100% certain that all of the Codeberg e.V. members would not take kindly to an attempt at a hostile takeover from Microsoft. So no, buying Codeberg is not easier than DDoSing them.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

You don't need to develop on Github to get this, just mirror your repo.

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Last week the reason for the move was MS tools being used by the baddies. Today AI is the baddie du jour. To use a great quote "either do or don't, but I got places to be".

> I got places to be Like, reading and posting on Hacker News?

Don’t judge: we’re here too.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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its easier for MS to buy codeberg and close it than to spent time and money to DDOS things

How do you buy an e.V.?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI#Transition_from_non-pro...

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

#137

I don't get it, why did they allow GitHub bot to modify and merge pull request automatically? Yeah I agree that MS is ruining everything with AI, but this problem is avoidable, if they turn off the bot's auto merge feature, or turn it off completely. The reason they move to a lesser known Git provider sounds more like a marketing stunt.

> I don't get it, why did they allow GitHub bot to modify and merge pull request automatically They didn't, poor wording on Register part. The pull request was closed for inactivity by the bot.

Again, perfectly avoidable.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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92% uptime? What do you do the other 8% of the time? Do you just invoke git push in a loop and leave your computer on?

You keep working since Git is decentralized. You can also run a Forgejo instance (the software that powers Codeberg) locally - it is just a single binary that takes a minute to setup - and setup a local mirror of your Codeberg repo with code, issues, etc so you have access to your issues, wiki, etc until Codeberg is up and Forgejo (though you'll have to update them manually later).

I hope Codeberg is able to scale up to this surge in interest, but

> it is just a single binary that takes a minute to setup - and setup a local mirror of your Codeberg repo with code, issues, etc so you have access to your issues, wiki, etc

is really cool! Having a local mirror also presumably gives you the means to build tools on top, to group and navigate and view them as best works for you, which could make that side of the process so much easier.

> you'll have to update them manually later

What does the manually part mean here? Just that you'll have to remember to do a `forgejo fetch` (or whatever equivalent) to sync it up?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

#139
The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride:

> [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1]

> [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining rookies eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [2]

> [2025-11-28T09:21:12Z] it’s abundantly clear that the engineering excellence that created GitHub’s success is no longer driving it [3]

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1: https://web.archive.org/web/20251127021007/https://ziglang.o...

2: https://web.archive.org/web/20251127140447/https://ziglang.o...

3: https://web.archive.org/web/20251128092112/https://ziglang.o...

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

#140

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

Github'PR and CI are some of the worst.
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