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Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by Alupis »

hk__2 wrote: post #68
Alupis wrote: post #12

You don't just have to self-host, they offer a hosted version that's far more reasonably priced than Figma[1]. Their free tier supports up to 8 members, limited to 10GB of storage. The next tier supports unlimited members, and is price-capped at $175 a month, but is limited to 25GB of storage. The final tier is price-capped at $950 a month, with unlimited storage. [1] https://penpot.app/pricing

For now. Mattermost too used to be cheaper than Slack, and Gitlab too used to be cheaper than GitHub. I know the story, "look we did X, the open-source Y" and two years in you now have two versions, the free and the "enterprise" one with exclusive features.

That's the beauty of the open source, self-hosted option then, no? If they radically change pricing one day, pick up your ball and self-host without any limits.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by wltr »

threeducks wrote: post #67
mnx wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"starbucks says there is no limit on how many napkins I can use but they got mad when I took the whole container, liars"

It might have become socially acceptable to lie when everyone else is, but it is still a lie. Back in my days, you at least had to put an asterisk behind such outrageous claims.

Heck, adding a word like ‘almost’ would make it rather truth.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by omnicognate »

ninkendo wrote: post #111
supermatt wrote: post #103

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> A problem like that should be extremely jarring Agreed - I don't see how its not glaringly obvious to anyone who uses the app: https://imgur.com/a/hZ1ja9o

Unrelated but imgur is basically malware at this point. I had to click through so many layers of nagging popups (including a “don’t support us” button, then a severely low-contrast “view in safari” button on a dialog explicitly designed to get me to accidentally click the app link), then when I finally got to your picture, any sort of interaction with the page whatsoever, including pinch-zooming to see the image, jus…

Also it's not accessible in the UK without workarounds that I'm not going to bother with for that dumpster fire of a site.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by tgtweak »

supermatt wrote: post #103
yuters wrote: post #98

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I've loaded an example document and do not see what you mean when navigating between pages. A problem like that should be extremely jarring and it is very hard to believe it would be ignored.

> A problem like that should be extremely jarring Agreed - I don't see how its not glaringly obvious to anyone who uses the app: https://imgur.com/a/hZ1ja9o

Came with receipts lol - hopefully they can repro and fix this but the fact it as omitted for 8 months kind of hints at how little people are using it.

Yeah you can really see the resize comparing the before and after. https://jpst.it/4KgSB

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by CuriouslyC »

Tostino wrote: post #128
CuriouslyC wrote: post #84

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The open core model is fine, but your community edition should be a reasonably complete product. Gitlab is a good example of this. They're not selling access, they're selling convenience. The features that differentiate to enterprise customers don't matter to small shops anyhow: policy compliance, monitoring, fancy reporting, fine grained access control,etc. Give away tools that are useful for individuals and small t…

You're naive if you think those don't affect small shops. If you want to do enterprise software, even as a small shop, things like requiring pull request approvals is an absolute must. Our customers demand it. Doesn't matter how many employees we have, or how profitable we are. If we want to sell software to most large CPG companies, this stuff is non-negotiable. So I just use GitHub.

The workflow I like in Gitlab is protected branches. This lets you go fast on a dev trunk then pull changes over intentionally.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by franga2000 »

seu wrote: post #44
RamblingCTO wrote: post #20

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That's a pity: > Penpot Desktop loads the Penpot web application like a browser does. For offline use, the built-in local instance creator can set up and run a local Penpot instance via Docker (per the official self‑hosting guide).

Came here to complain about the same. I downloaded the app, but it needs an online account. What's the whole purpose of making it open source and downloadable, if it doesn't work offline?

> built-in local instance creator

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by franga2000 »

comezkandirali wrote: post #55
sodimel wrote: post #51

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There is in fact an effort to make a desktop application! Source (& releases): https://github.com/author-more/penpot-desktop Topic on penpot forum: https://community.penpot.app/t/penpot-desktop-road-to-1-0/72...

I am referring to the convenience of being able to download it from the store and start using it immediately. If it were as effortless as I described, they would reach a much larger number of users

> If it were as effortless as I described, they would reach a much larger number of users

Almost certainly not. If you need this kind of tool, you'll either self-host it, use the hosted version or use Figma. There are no comparable offline-only alternatives. What users are they using exactly?

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by culi »

supermatt wrote: post #114
ninkendo wrote: post #111

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Unrelated but imgur is basically malware at this point. I had to click through so many layers of nagging popups (including a “don’t support us” button, then a severely low-contrast “view in safari” button on a dialog explicitly designed to get me to accidentally click the app link), then when I finally got to your picture, any sort of interaction with the page whatsoever, including pinch-zooming to see the image, jus…

Can you suggest a low-effort alternative I can use in future?

https://alternativeto.net/software/imgur/

Here's a comparison of alternatives

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by satvikpendem »

mirzap wrote: post #92
sallveburrpi wrote: post #77

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What would be a better way to fund large-scale open source projects in your opinion? Please don’t say donations because that doesn’t work for something as complex as the projects you mentioned Edit: ok there are some where it works like Blender - no idea how they do it though…

There are multiple models: 1. Like Sentry - open source all the features, provide the cloud (hosted) version. Most businesses don't want to self-host, but want a bit cheaper alternative 2. Paid tier, buy once - own forever with 1 year update support. Later you can charge lower price to extend the update cycle. 3. Blender model - donations. Very hard to get it right. 4. Laravel/Next.js model - Open source the tooling,…

Sentry isn't open source, it's source available.
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