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Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

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The biggest thing for me is the cinematography. 80s/90s movies were filmed as if you're standing alongside the cast. * Many more shots from eye level * Significantly less jumpcuts * People actually cast shadows onto the environment, and filmmakers would fearlessly shoot scenes with full bright or full dark elements in them without trying to make everything dark and bright visible simultaneously * Waist-up or even ful…

While cinematography isn't the whole answer, I think it's a big contributor to why so much feels aggressively middling these days. Modern shows are aggressively aesthetic. There's huge overuse shallow depth of field, resulting in blurry backgrounds. Watch modern movies with this mind, and you start noticing the reliance on a sharp foreground and blurry background is extreme to the point of bizarre. Cinematography sho…

> There's huge overuse shallow depth of field

I've ranted about this so much to friends, it's so distracting to me.

I have the hypothesis that some of it is due to how easy (or easier?) it is to quickly review footage to tell if the focus is set right when it's so aggressively shallow, but regardless of the "why" the monotony of it drives me crazy.

I want to see the environments the characters are in, I want the visceral grounding of the feel of that environment. I watched "Portrait of a Lady on Fire" and it felt so primal, and watching how intentional the sound design alone is I can see why.

> In such environments (visual and aural), nothing seems real and nothing seems like it matters.

That's a great description about the strange disembodiment I've felt in modern shows for a while now.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

#132

The biggest thing for me is the cinematography. 80s/90s movies were filmed as if you're standing alongside the cast. * Many more shots from eye level * Significantly less jumpcuts * People actually cast shadows onto the environment, and filmmakers would fearlessly shoot scenes with full bright or full dark elements in them without trying to make everything dark and bright visible simultaneously * Waist-up or even ful…

I know absolutely nothing about cinematography, but my sense is that HD has actually hurt the believability of movies significantly.

I don't buy this. Watching hi-res remasters of old films (Alien, Catch Me If You Can, Jurassic Park) you get incredible definition without damage to suspension of disbelief.

I think this comment[1] above really highlights what bothers me about modern shows and movies, but in short it's not the high def, it's how it's used.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46062911

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

#133

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As a neutral third party, no, you just actually aren't making any sense. I think i can imagine the point you're maybe trying to make, but that requires me to make a lot of assumptions

The original post was about how he was angry that his friend was messing around with his phone during a movie. Why does this bother him? He feels his friend was not respecting the integrity of art, that he is missing important things in life, that meaning and value is lost as his friend treats his screen time as a flood of dopamine. What I was trying to tell him (really just talking into the social media void) is tha…

> The original post was about how he was angry that his friend was messing around with his phone during a movie. Why does this bother him? He feels his friend was not respecting the integrity of art, that he is missing important things in life, that meaning and value is lost as his friend treats his screen time as a flood of dopamine.

I love how you ask why this bothers me (a woman btw, your reading comprehension seems shaky) and then go on to explain perfectly why this bothers me. I think "missing important things in life" is a bit strong phrasing, I would say: you're missing a lot of the emotional value the art you're consuming has by way of consuming too much at once to beat dopamine out of your brain vs. having a genuine, personal experience with an art object. But this is solely a situation where you're harming your own experience, not me.

The only sense it would really bother me is that I would throw a soda at you if you were watching instagram reels in a theater.

> What I was trying to tell him (really just talking into the social media void) is that it's all meaningless anyway. When you're young you care, but as you mature, that feeling of the perfectness of your screen time becomes a childish thing. It is much like the difference between two lousy fast food burgers, the metaphor he partially understood but reduced to "they are both lousy" which wasn't my point.

I mean I still don't really understand your point. If you divide your attention, you have a less cognizant experience of... anything. If you text while driving, your odds of getting in a car wreck go up astronomically.

If anything as you get older, you should learn to slow down and do one thing at a time, because your attention span gets weaker as your cognitive abilities decline.

> But his behavior was a little too immature for me, with the brinksmanship and oh-so-daring insults to my intelligence

I didn't insult you. I said you were being insufferable and you were. You're absolutely right, I didn't understand your point, and I seem to be far from alone in that. So I asked you to explain it, and you acted like I was an idiot for not parsing your word salad correctly.

> so I probably got sidetracked in my response and it wasn't very good.

Yeah maybe just answer the question next time.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

#135
Modern movies aren't allowed breathing room. Watch something from the 70s versus now. We absolutely blast people with dialogue and spoon feed action sequences. Older movies has silence in moments. Casual conversation. People weren't trying to pack in maximum information through close up monologues disguised as dialogue.

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

#136

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I don't particularly disagree with you, but do you have evidence that modern movies are calibrated and written to allow for someone to sit on their phones the entire time and understand? Largely seems like some movies are written to be mass consumed and some are not. No different then a movie from the 90s. Our attention span is decreasing a lot obviously, but it's never been that long.

A couple of months ago I started listening to the Scriptnotes podcast, by Craig Mazin (showrunner for Chernobyl and Last of Us, also wrote for Scary Movie and Hangover sequels) and John August (Go, Charlie's Angels, Big Fish, etc.). They discussed receiving notes like that from executives on their scripts- that there needed to be a line of dialog here to explain, rather than just using the visual to explain, so that…

This is not a good distinction between modern and older TV.

In the past the note would have been "Include the line of dialogue so someone folding laundry can follow it."

Or "Include the line of dialogue so someone channel surfing who just started watching can follow the plot."

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a neutral third party, no, you just actually aren't making any sense. I think i can imagine the point you're maybe trying to make, but that requires me to make a lot of assumptions

The original post was about how he was angry that his friend was messing around with his phone during a movie. Why does this bother him? He feels his friend was not respecting the integrity of art, that he is missing important things in life, that meaning and value is lost as his friend treats his screen time as a flood of dopamine. What I was trying to tell him (really just talking into the social media void) is tha…

You weren't making sense well before any alleged insults to your intelligence

And having made your "point" more clear, I'm tempted to actually do so myself

Re: Why 90s Movies Feel More Alive Than Anything on Netflix

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me add in Everything, Everywhere, All At Once (2022)

I didn't like that at all :') As one of the characters said "it’s all just a pointless swirling bucket of bullshit"

Different strokes for different folks, I guess :-)
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