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Orion 1.0

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Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by traceroute66 »

So, the blog post says:

   > Because something fundamental has been lost.
   > Zero telemetry, privacy‑first access to the internet: a basic human right.
   > We believe there needs to be a different path: a browser that answers only to its user.
So basically they have just re-invented Firefox Focus and/or Mullvad Browser ?

Disable Daily Ping and Crash Reports in Firefox Focus and you too have a telemetry-free browser on iOS.

Meanwhile on macOS you have Mullvad Browser.

Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by thisislife2 »

filoleg wrote: post #41

Is there any info with a bit more details on extensions on the desktop version? More specifically, is Orion going to have its own extension ecosystem? Is it compatible with chrome or FF extensions? If it is gonna be its own thing, are there dev docs available anywhere? Asking because I’ve read the article, and I noticed extensions being mentioned a few times (including in one of the subchapter titles). However, I cou…

Orion has been trying to integrate / extend the WebExtensions API to its fork of webkit, with a goal to make uBlock Origin 100% compatible in Orion. It's still a work in progress ...

Re: Orion 1.0

#133

Post by pluralmonad »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #99
jeffhuys wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, imo, it’s nowhere near ready for 1.0. I was a big advocate for this browser but recently changed because of exactly this. That, and it’s very slow after having it running constantly, I found myself routinely quitting and re-opening it every hour or two to get normal speed back, or my RAM for that matter. So I’m back on Safari.

It was using 46G of ram the other day. But I prefer it over any other browser so I just kill it every now and again.

How many hundreds or thousands of tabs took 40+ gigs?

Re: Orion 1.0

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Post by Tagbert »

have_faith wrote: post #16

> Most people switch browsers for one reason: speed. Is that true? Maybe it is and I'm out of the loop but I can't remember the last time someone complained about browser speed. The bottleneck seems to be website bloat more than anything else. Would love to see this argument quantified.

From my perspective, all browsers are fast enough and within a couple of percent the same performance. I value features, privacy, etc. More than raw speed.

Re: Orion 1.0

#135

Post by dickiedyce »

I'm a keen Orion user, and general Kagi user - early adopter since June 2022 (So kool-aid? ;-) ) That said, I have Chrome installed for mandated office work (profile managed by IT ;-( ), Brave for LinkedIn & YouTube... but for everything else I use Orion. Recent versions have been rock solid, and it does exactly what it says on the tin.

My only gripe is that the favourites bar isn't right-click editable like Chrome or Brave - assume this is down to Webkit. Apart from that, joy to use and develop against.

Re: Orion 1.0

#137

Post by traceroute66 »

yannickburky wrote: post #114
butz wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowadays users switch browsers to escape from AI nonsense. But in all seriousness, just enabling an ad-blocker significantly increases the speed of the browser, because, as you correctly noticed, website bloat is the largest bottleneck. And usually "raw" website content is only small fraction of all other stuff that gets loaded from various remote sources to show you ads and track you better. And to take speed point…

Orion already weighs 100 MB less than Chrome. You will probably already feel this difference every time you launch it.

> You will probably already feel this difference every time you launch it.

How many times a day / week / month do you launch your browser from scratch ?

It is also a moot point with modern processors and modern OSs.

Even more so in Orion's target macOS market where you can leave an app open without any windows open (not minimized, I mean not open at all) , so its ready to go at a click.

Re: Orion 1.0

#139

Post by stonogo »

redserk wrote: post #60
warkdarrior wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't speak for OP, but open source allows the community to check for spyware inserted to exfil data to the company and its partners.

As much as I'd appreciate more open source for the sake of transparency, binaries provided on websites aren't guaranteed to match the source code provided and I'd assume most users are pulling binaries versus building themselves.

The ability to do so provides some protection. If someone pulls and builds and cannot reproduce the binaries, they can at least try to get the word out. Closed-source prevents even the opportunity. Even source-available is better than closed.

Re: Orion 1.0

#140

Post by cricalix »

traceroute66 wrote: post #137
yannickburky wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orion already weighs 100 MB less than Chrome. You will probably already feel this difference every time you launch it.

> You will probably already feel this difference every time you launch it. How many times a day / week / month do you launch your browser from scratch ? It is also a moot point with modern processors and modern OSs. Even more so in Orion's target macOS market where you can leave an app open without any windows open (not minimized, I mean not open at all) , so its ready to go at a click.

> How many times a day / week / month do you launch your browser from scratch ?

Every morning / day across multiple machines. I don't leave them sleeping or hibernated.

Don't think I'd notice a slightly faster browser start; a 50% faster start would be nice though.

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