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California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by xtracto »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #110
willio58 wrote: post #26

I didn’t think I’d be so pro Waymo but anecdotally I had a fantastic experience with one recently. I was at a music show very late ~1-2am in SF and walked out to grab an uber to the airbnb I was staying at. I kept getting assigned an uber, then I’d wait 10 minutes, then they’d cancel. Rinse and repeat for 30 minutes, mind you I even resorted to calling Lyfts at the same time and nothing bit. Then I say screw it and d…

This is what radicalized me. “Uber is 4 minutes away” so I call them, and it tells me it’s trying to find drivers for the next 6-8 minutes, then a driver is selected and they are 11 minutes away, then they sit at their location for 4-5 minutes, then they start moving toward me, then they’re 5 minutes away and cancel and uber changes to finding me a ride. Infuriating.

And that happens everywhere and with every ride app. Here in Mexico we have DiDi and Uber and we have the same crap. It's human nature.

That's why taking a Waymo in LA left me without words... like traveling 10 years in the future. And you dont have to deal with all that crap.

I hope Waymo squashes all the competition.

BTW after getting back from LA I increased my GOOG position. Waymo is so groundbreaking and it is THERE.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by philistine »

polishTar wrote: post #83
jerlam wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any reason that individual Bay Area cities cannot pass laws against Waymo operating there. Why they would do so is a different matter. I'm hopeful though.

Municipalities are generally preempted from regulating matters of statewide concern. In CA, the state decided to have the CA DMV regulate operational safety and the CPUC regulate the commercial service. Individual cities are prevented from enacting local laws that encroach upon state authority.

> Individual cities are prevented from enacting local laws that encroach upon state authority.

It's simpler than that; cities are wholly created and controlled by the State. California could one day decide to close all the cities and centralize and it would be 100% legal. States delegate their authority to cities.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by njarboe »

qwerpy wrote: post #95
hintklb wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is not competition to Waymo. There are 10 other companies that are currently testing without a driver. Those are competition. Tesla so far is a gimmick of self-driving with a safety driver that takes over once in a while. That's where Waymo was more than 5 years ago.

The recent version of FSD in my Tesla is pretty amazing. Press "Start FSD" when in my driveway, and 20 minutes later it arrives at my destination and parks, without any input from me the entire time. I was skeptical too about FSD for a while but I'm starting to believe. These days I pretty much only disengage it when I'm impatient that it's being too polite. Unsupervised isn't far off!

I hope so. Similarly I only disengage when I want to go faster or forget to set the destination.

Too bad the owners of FSD can't decide that they want unsupervised. In an earlier or different world that would be possible.

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by rangestransform »

jonny_eh wrote: post #18
throwaway48476 wrote: post #5

It's disappointing that where I live is politically difficult and waymo won't come anytime soon.

Why not say where you are?

Probably one of the political interest group owned cities like nyc

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by mh- »

wffurr wrote: post #106
tudelo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what it is but in basically every major airport I have struggled to get an uber/lyft. I expect at minimum one cancellation...

Trying to find a specific ride hail driver at the airport seems like a huge waste of time. Just go to the taxi stand.

True, but then you'll be in a taxi.

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Post by mh- »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #129
dmix wrote: post #121

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> For a while, VC subsidies meant Uber and Lyft could pretend they were fundamentally different somehow You must have very rosy glasses because calling a tired/rude Taxi operator at 1am and not knowing whether your cab was coming in 5 or 20min was a major drag, so you always had to plan for 20min+ and sit patiently without social media to fill the void. Having 2 ubers cancel before you get a 3rd commitment, within a…

I frequently have to wait 20-30 minutes for an Uber or Lyft pickup at my apartment in south Brooklyn. I'm sure it doesn't help that I'm usually going somewhere like Bay Ridge if I'm ordering an Uber and not somewhere popular. If it's after 1am I just open both Lyft and Uber and book both because at least one of them will just park the car and not come and wait out the timer before it assigns a new driver. I wish the…

Book Uber Black and 99% of those issues go away. Have taken more Ubers than I'd like to admit, so I'm comfortable calling this a large enough sample size to qualify as anecdata.

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Post by nemothekid »

davidw wrote: post #59
poszlem wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying this HAS to happen. But I remember when Ubers were clean, quiet, cheap too. I think you are just looking at a product before the enshittification, when they still have to pretend they care about your comfort.

I wonder what the non-subsidized price of a Waymo ride would be.

As I understand it, unless the fleet size dramatically increases, the cost of a ride is completely determined by supply/demand.

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Post by xp84 »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #10

I'm so excited how much of Southern California is opened - Waymo LAX to SD after midnight (there's no trains or buses from 12 to 6)!!

Dang, is it really worth flying LAX and spending like $600 on round trip car rides, compared to flying non-direct to SAN and having a little layover somewhere?

Re: California DMV approves map increase in Waymo driverless operations

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Post by FireBeyond »

jmspring wrote: post #78

First used Waymo in Phoenix. It was a decent experience. The funny thing was watching it handle parallel parking. I mentioned it to the wife - self driving with parkinsons. This last weekend, we were in the city (San Francisco) and literally drove by a Waymo trying to park and the wife started laughing - "you are right".

Which is weird because the parallel park on my Audi is smoother and faster than me.
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