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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by pixxel »

Asooka wrote: post #91
adrian_b wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time when I see how these censorship laws are pushed, I cannot understand how it is possible that anyone of those who vote for them can believe that such laws can achieve their stated goal of "protecting the innocent children". Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid that they no longer remember what they were doing as children, so I can only assume that the real purpo…

> Actually I cannot believe that the voters, or at least most of them, are so stupid The majority of USAians voted for Trump. It would be the height of hubris to think of our average voter as noticeably smarter than one from the USA.

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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

earthnail wrote: post #126
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1. Force companies to develop the censorship/surveillant technology by passing a law to make it available. Claim its to 'save the children' and/or 'fight terrorism', whichever threat is currently the most scary. Step 2. Make the use of the technology optional, and fairly non-intrusive to ease acceptance and normalization. Step 3. Make the technology mandatory for certain groups/areas like all schools or certain…

With that way of arguing you can’t have any laws or regulation at all.

Sure you can. You can pass laws that require companies respect a 'do not track' setting in browsers and don't collect data or make you jump through 'accept cookies' hoops. You can make right to repair laws. You can pass laws that require interoperability like making phones use a standard cable (they did this and I think its great). You can pass laws making companies like MS at least make available a no-tracking, no subscription, no ads, no telemetry, no bloatware, no AI, no bullshit version of windows OS for regular individuals at reasonable cost. They can do stuff that like that.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by slightwinder »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #128
slightwinder wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But they don't fix multiple problems all at once. No, they do, they do it the whole time. Those might not the problems you care about, and not all attempts might be successful, but each new or changed law/regulation is fixing something. And there are many new of them over the year.

Each new law/regulation is indeed intended to fix something, the problem is what? I'd love to have the optimism that its the problems that population are experiencing, but in most cases its the problems that the rich and powerful are experiencing. Like 'the internet is allowing people too much power to communicate with each other without state intervention', so they fix it with laws to remove that power. Or 'I am ver…

You seem to have a concerningly narrow view on society and it's processes, to the point where it might be harmful. Maybe start fixing this first, before you complain about something you might not understand well enough?

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by raffael_de »

earthnail wrote: post #114
raffael_de wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until Linux is going to be forced into the same regulation. And then until new laws criminalize attempts to bypass the "porn filter" no matter what you use.

But where’s the problem? This is opt in. KDE already has a kiosk mode for kids. Add a content filter aka adblocker for porn, done. I don’t understand the outrage here. Many parents who are technically illiterate would like to be able to leave their 10yo alone with a computer without having to worry. Rn the only option for that is nintendo/playstation/xbox. Smartphones aren’t.

to be fair I didn't read the details of that law. it's just that its Marschrichtung is pretty clear. total surveillance for flimsy reasons because porn etc. eventually it will be mandatory for everybody. that's what it is about.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by taneq »

bko wrote: post #20

I find it interesting how these kinds of measures are incredibly unpopular on HN and other online platforms. But if there was some regulation about social media algorithms, short form content, age restriction for social media and other mandated restrictions on social media companies, people are a lot more open. Why is any restriction on adult content so fiercely defended? I can post that Mark Zuckerberg should be arr…

> Why is any restriction on adult content so fiercely defended?

If you mean “why do people protest age verification” then the answer is that the only effective way to do age verification is by mandating login with government verified ID, which destroys anonymity. People aren’t upset about kids not seeing pron, they’re upset about the entire rest of the internet being subject to surveillance.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by poly2it »

danaris wrote: post #103
yubblegum wrote: post #41

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Porn is damaging at multiple levels, specially for young adults to say nothing of "children". +Should be clear is that exposing children to porn or normalizing porn in no way promotes "healthy economies" either.

[Citation needed] Multiple studies have shown that porn, in and of itself, is not damaging. The phenomenon of "porn addiction" appears to come entirely from people who think they shouldn't be looking at porn for various (mostly religious) reasons still looking at it, and feeling shame.

Can you also provide a citation?

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by rPlayer6554 »

mavamaarten wrote: post #42
rPlayer6554 wrote: post #14

*This does not seem like a censorship measure.* It seems like it requires OSs to give parents an easy way to filter porn. I struggle with porn addiction. When I really fall back into it I act out 5-10 times a day. I can’t stop even if I want to. It distracts from work and from my real life relationships and girlfriend. Everyone on HN loves to rag on social media because it’s so toxic. What about porn? If social media…

Okay. I hear your struggles and want to ask: would you rather give others the tools to block your porn, or would you rather have easier access to help?

You need both in the world. Blockers are almost useless for adults with an addiction who can easily just buy a new device or figure out a way around.

Kids can’t really join addiction recovery groups, at least not in the same way adults can because it takes a full understanding of the impacts of porn addiction on life and a desire to stop. I can only speak for myself but even with parents who tried to communicate this, I didn’t have that level of maturity then.

Blockers at least can stop them from accidentally finding it, or generic curiosity. At least until the parents decide they are mature enough to handle the unfiltered internet

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by rPlayer6554 »

graemep wrote: post #75
rPlayer6554 wrote: post #14

*This does not seem like a censorship measure.* It seems like it requires OSs to give parents an easy way to filter porn. I struggle with porn addiction. When I really fall back into it I act out 5-10 times a day. I can’t stop even if I want to. It distracts from work and from my real life relationships and girlfriend. Everyone on HN loves to rag on social media because it’s so toxic. What about porn? If social media…

Porn can be harmful, and it is an industry that dos a lot of damage to those working in it too. There are better ways of doing this. For example require ISP provided routers to have built in parental controls or that people have the option of filtered connections, and ensure parents are offered child safe filtered SIMs at the same price as normal ones. It would not even require changing the devices.

Network level is more effective in blocking porn, but Kids often join unfiltered WiFi networks. Also I think network management is a bit more complicated for the average person than OS settings. I think both are useful

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by HeavyStorm »

general1465 wrote: post #96
pndy wrote: post #17

Might be somehow related -ish ; in Poland by rmf24.pl outlet: > On Friday, the Sejm (lower house) passed an amendment to the bill on the provision of electronic services, which allows for the blocking of illegal content on the internet. The new regulations anticipate that the president of UKE (Office of Electronic Communications) and KRRiT (National Broadcasting Council ) will be able to decide on the removal of cont…

> I don't want to wear a tinfoil hat but considering that chat control is unlikely to work at EU level, local "solutions" like above in Germany and Poland may give legal way to include scanning instant messengers in the future. That's because lawmakers think it has no impact on them. In Czech Republic a transparency law has been passed many years ago. This law effectively said that cities needs to disclose suppliers…

Do they? You mention something that affects politicians negatively much more than affect civilians. Chat control will be negative for _all_ of us, mainly of innocents, while bad actors will switch to other means of communication that evades the law.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

slightwinder wrote: post #133
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each new law/regulation is indeed intended to fix something, the problem is what? I'd love to have the optimism that its the problems that population are experiencing, but in most cases its the problems that the rich and powerful are experiencing. Like 'the internet is allowing people too much power to communicate with each other without state intervention', so they fix it with laws to remove that power. Or 'I am ver…

You seem to have a concerningly narrow view on society and it's processes, to the point where it might be harmful. Maybe start fixing this first, before you complain about something you might not understand well enough?

I could say this exact comment back to you with implication that your view is naively optimistic, whereas at me its implication is I'm defeatistly pessimistic. Maybe the answer is that society needs both of us playing these parts.
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