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Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by annodomini2019 »

zulko wrote: post #36

Total plug but this year I scraped 400,000 wikipedia pages with Gemini to create landnotes.org, an atlas where you can ask "what happened in Japan in 1923": https://landnotes.org/?location=xnd284b0-6&date=1923&strictD... https://github.com/Zulko/landnotes My plan has been to overlay historical map borders on top of it, like the Geacron one from this post, but they all seem to be protected by copyright - and understan…

Wow, this is actually so cool. Fantastic idea, I would LOVE something like this in Wikipedia. Nicely done!

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by hulitu »

santiagobasulto wrote: post #38
kbrannigan wrote: post #15

The issue is that the timeline is built in a Eurocentric way. Europe (and the Near East) are shown as the starting point of history, while Africa, Asia, and the Americas only appear when Europeans make contact with them. This hides thousands of years of independent development in those regions—empires, and creates the false impression that they had no real history before Europe showed up. It repeats an old colonial s…

You're implying this is some sort of "malice". It's not that authors are "Biased towards Europe". The reality is that, sadly, there's VERY LITTLE historical records in antiquity besides the ones in "Europe". For example, I'm from Latin America, and the most important empires in South America (Incas for example) were using writing systems based on threads and knots (called Khipu). Sadly, these records didn't survive.…

> You're implying this is some sort of "malice". It's not that authors are "Biased towards Europe". The reality is that, sadly, there's VERY LITTLE historical records in antiquity besides the ones in "Europe".

The African map is strange. I scrolled until 1722 and it shows some isolated countries and the rest is white. They could do better. (I'm european - pale face)

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by tgma »

mg wrote: post #20

I always wanted something like a "History of human progress" which when zoomed out shows me something like this: -2000000 Stone tools -1000000 Using fire -6000 Metal tools -6000 Agriculture -4000 Writing 1550 Printing 1888 Telephones 1888 Cars 1903 Planes 1941 Penicillin 1941 First computer 1982 Homecomputers 1983 Mobile phones 1990 The internet 2001 Wikipedia 2004 Facebook 2007 IPhone 2022 ChatGPT And then I can zoo…

Like this? https://history-timeline.site/

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by santiagobasulto »

prmph wrote: post #107
santiagobasulto wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Kush Kingdom was settled around the Nile, it's NOT sub-saharan Africa. And yes, there are a lot of historical artifacts spread out in the world. But how much WRITTEN and RECORDED history can you find? You can find a totem buried somewhere in the south of Argentina, so you know you had an advanced culture there. But can you name them? Does it have the ruler's name? Nobody is arguing that there were advanced civili…

Around Nile excludes sub-saharan Africa? Seems your knowledge of geography is a bit lacking. The Nile runs through 11 African countries. And, what does sub-saharan even have to do with anything here? Seems like a weird thing to bring up. The people of the Sudan (where Kush and Meroe, etc were located) are one of the blackest people on the planet, nobody is going to mistake them for Mediterranean people, as has been a…

What! I never said any of that. Never mentioned that people along the nile are "not real africans" and what skin color has to do with it? I just pointed out that the Kush kingdom is NOT sub saharan africa. Why did I point it out? Because of the argument above. The most advanced ancient civilizations were in northern Africa and Mesopotamia. Jeez, Idk why I'm even replying to this comment.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by zulko »

qq66 wrote: post #130
zulko wrote: post #36

Total plug but this year I scraped 400,000 wikipedia pages with Gemini to create landnotes.org, an atlas where you can ask "what happened in Japan in 1923": https://landnotes.org/?location=xnd284b0-6&date=1923&strictD... https://github.com/Zulko/landnotes My plan has been to overlay historical map borders on top of it, like the Geacron one from this post, but they all seem to be protected by copyright - and understan…

Cool project. Seems like your link to "wiki-dump-extractor" is broken.

Thank you for reporting this!

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by zulko »

annodomini2019 wrote: post #131
zulko wrote: post #36

Total plug but this year I scraped 400,000 wikipedia pages with Gemini to create landnotes.org, an atlas where you can ask "what happened in Japan in 1923": https://landnotes.org/?location=xnd284b0-6&date=1923&strictD... https://github.com/Zulko/landnotes My plan has been to overlay historical map borders on top of it, like the Geacron one from this post, but they all seem to be protected by copyright - and understan…

Wow, this is actually so cool. Fantastic idea, I would LOVE something like this in Wikipedia. Nicely done!

Yeah it would be nice if Wikipedia would host it, but it would probably require some more serious ground work so the project fits in the wikipedia ecosystem. Could be a pipeline Wikipedia -> Wikidata -> Atlas.

There are many projects that could be done with with wikipedia and LLMs, for instance "equalizing" all languages by translating all pages into all other languages where they are missing. Or, more surgically, finding which facts are reported in some languages of a page but not others, and adding these facts to all languages.

For now, it seems that wikipedia doesn't want to use generative AI to produce wikipedia pages, and that's understandable, but there may be a point where model quality will be too good to ignore.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by zulko »

milst wrote: post #114
zulko wrote: post #36

Total plug but this year I scraped 400,000 wikipedia pages with Gemini to create landnotes.org, an atlas where you can ask "what happened in Japan in 1923": https://landnotes.org/?location=xnd284b0-6&date=1923&strictD... https://github.com/Zulko/landnotes My plan has been to overlay historical map borders on top of it, like the Geacron one from this post, but they all seem to be protected by copyright - and understan…

very cool. Made something with a similar idea, but using timelines instead of maps. I wonder if the two could be combined in some way https://timeline-of-everything.milst.dev/

Nice, how does your timeline work under the hood? Does it read from wikipedia? What could be interesting in your project is to be able to compare timelines. See for instance this website specifically for comparing composer works (with timelines pre-extracted from wikipedia):

https://zulko.github.io/composer-timelines/?selectedComposer...

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by milst »

zulko wrote: post #138
milst wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

very cool. Made something with a similar idea, but using timelines instead of maps. I wonder if the two could be combined in some way https://timeline-of-everything.milst.dev/

Nice, how does your timeline work under the hood? Does it read from wikipedia? What could be interesting in your project is to be able to compare timelines. See for instance this website specifically for comparing composer works (with timelines pre-extracted from wikipedia): https://zulko.github.io/composer-timelines/?selectedComposer...

under the hood messages are sent to Tambo which knows how to use the timeline component (sort of like an LLM tool) and can fill the component's props with whatever data it decides. The actual data at this point is completely generated by the LLM (which seems to be ok for historical data on popular topics.) I should add a tool to allow tambo to fetch data from wikipedia before trying to generate timeline data.

Comparing timelines is an awesome idea, understanding when certain events happened in relation to others is really interesting. Maybe even overlaid in different colors or something instead of separate timelines.

Here's the repo btw: https://github.com/MichaelMilstead/timeline-of-everything

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