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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #67
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

"If I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on." If I want MS Windows I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on If this is not a statement you can make, then Redmond gets to decide what you use, not you

If you cannot choose another OS besides Windows, then you are stuck with whatever Redmond decides

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by nik282000 »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #115

But why integrate AI so deeply into Windows instead of 1. keeping Windows as small and lean as possible, and let it do the things an operating system is for, 2. offering some AI applications that can be installed optionally by the users who want them, i.e. turn their AI applications into external software that can be installed/used or not, like Microsoft Office.

Windows is not a general purpose operating system. It's a platform for monetizing businesses via licensing and cloud services, and a platform for monetizing private users by way of advertising and data mining.

If they were ever to produce a Windows PowerUser edition, with absolutely no bloat, it would have to be priced like a CAD suite.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by SoftTalker »

ryandrake wrote: post #93
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

Instead of "pushing back" I wish he'd actually listen to and address his critics' points. He is deliberately and disingenuously missing the point. It's not that the features aren't good (maybe they are, maybe they aren't). It's about how coercive Microsoft and Windows are with its users, and this exec is failing to address that one. Just once, I'd like to hear a question get through to these assholes asking them why…

It’s a lost cause. Just stop using Windows. That’s the only message that will be heard.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by collinmcnulty »

markus_zhang wrote: post #83
ckozlowski wrote: post #45

This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

My thought exactly. From hindsight, Diablo immortal is not a bad game, but that moment was really…not great. I guess the guy knew that phone games were getting momentum but unfortunately that specific group of users in Blizzcon didn’t want a phone game.

I actually think that 2018 was about the time when phone games had very much lost momentum and now are much less exciting than they were circa 2013. By 2018, both the potential and the limitations of phone games were very much understood by the audience. I'd argue that the top of the hype cycle of "maybe phone games will actually become really good" was 2010's Infinity Blade. Clash of Clans came out in 2012, and by 2018 phone games were fully devoid of momentum.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

nipperkinfeet wrote: post #71

I'll be impressed when they manage to fix Windows 11! There are still many regressions compared to Windows XP through 10. They can add all this AI nonsense to the taskbar, yet they can't reinstate the features people have been asking for.

Unfortunately Apple seems to be gong the same way. On Mac and iPhone I am seeing more things that don’t work well.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by xp84 »

anon7000 wrote: post #40
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

It’s partly that, but it’s also partly that the quality SUCKS. I’m frustrated with AI blogspam because it doesn’t in any way help me figure out whatever I’m researching. It’s such low quality. What I want and need is higher quality primary sources — in depth research, investigation, presented in an engaging way. Or with movies and shows, I want something genuine. With a genuine story that feels real, characters that…

Ironically, AI blogspam, because it’s disingenuous and because Google’s PageRank has been fully defeated by spam (and Search ruined further by Google’s ads) in general, has ruined the web for research. It means that you are usually better off now asking a flagship model your research questions. Let it search and provide sources. You can always tell it the sorts of sources you consider reliable.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by CMay »

The technology is amazing, but Microsoft has no imagination in the way they try to make use of it. It's sad. It also legitimately hurts society that they are further blurring the line between what is an offline and online experience in Windows, which I fully and openly reject in the strongest of terms.

Also, Co-pilot objectively sucks and is a lying disinformation machine that has rarely helped me with anything.

Trust is Microsoft's greatest asset and they don't seem to have any champions inside the company that can tell these people they are destroying the company's trust.

Bing has been broken for a year now and nobody has fixed it. ATROCIOUSLY broken. That hurts trust.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by vivzkestrel »

Dear mr microsoft AI CEO, why dont you pass my message to the higher ups will ya? Make a decent operating system that runs on modern hardware with me the end user in full control of what gets installed and what doesnt. make a single scrollable screen that is 100 pages long for all i care where i get to choose what programs are installed, what permissions are required by each program, what telemetry options are enabled by default for each program and give me the ability to turn everything off if I must. I must be able to uninstall notepad and the Edge browser or even prevent them from being installed in the first place. After you get this much done, why dont we talk about your little AI features then?

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by mikeocool »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #88

A quote I saw today: "Maybe AI seems like a creative solution, if you aren't a creative person.", seems to explain a lot of this maybe. Edit: Found the source: https://www.eurogamer.net/maybe-ai-is-a-creative-solution-if...

That’s a great quote —- when you hire a “creative” to do a job (ie photographer, designer, etc) in area where you aren’t an expert, the conversation of what you want usually starts with similar existing work that you like.

A good creative will take that as a starting point, apply their skills and vision to it, and give you something that solves your specific problem in a unique way, often far better than whatever you had imagined.

In my experience, if you do a similar expertise with AI, it just gives you a facsimile of the inspiration you initially provided and not much more.

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