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Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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While its been a long time since Ive used Thunderbird, I just wanted to take the time to publicly say thank you. Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients but basically during the height of MSFT dominance there was only one real mail client: Outlook. Which Microsoft was starting to monetize heavily, ignore UX, and keep it windows only (cant blame them for that). Then Thunderbird ar…

> Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients... If there are people who have never used a desktop mail client, I will say you owe it to yourself to try one. Web clients suck compared to desktop clients, it's not even close between the two. Sticking with just the Gmail interface (or whatever) is so limiting; definitely give alternatives a shot if you haven't.

I have tried thunderbird. Gmail is 10 times more usable and readable and performant than thunderbird.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

#132
post #3

While its been a long time since Ive used Thunderbird, I just wanted to take the time to publicly say thank you. Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients but basically during the height of MSFT dominance there was only one real mail client: Outlook. Which Microsoft was starting to monetize heavily, ignore UX, and keep it windows only (cant blame them for that). Then Thunderbird ar…

Thunderbird, via the Enigmail extension[1], also was many folks first foray into applied cryptography.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigmail

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outlook was better than Lotus Notes at least.

MS Outlook was a heaven for viruses. Lotus (even before Notes) had cloud-like features for mail and worked on Windows and OS/2.

It also had a password dialog that showed fun hieroglyphs as you typed, instead of dots or asterisks. But, oops, those would change deterministically depending on what you typed.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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What I'm most curious about, and what the docs are light on detail about: does this mean Thunderbird complies with remote deletion requests (which IIRC, the Exchange protocol suppports)? I have the impression that Microsoft makes this a requirement for Exchange implementations, which is why third-party devices and apps like Apple's Mail cooperate with those requests.

It actually downloads BleachBit and runs it so that even god can't read your emails /s

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

#136
post #3

While its been a long time since Ive used Thunderbird, I just wanted to take the time to publicly say thank you. Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients but basically during the height of MSFT dominance there was only one real mail client: Outlook. Which Microsoft was starting to monetize heavily, ignore UX, and keep it windows only (cant blame them for that). Then Thunderbird ar…

I still use Thunderbird and I love it. Even though I absolutely hate email and it is a chaotic clusterfuck we act like is bulletproof. I'm incredibly impressed at how feature deficit email is, but Thunderbird gives a lot of power back. It's just a lot of little things that add up. Like why is tagging and sorting so hard? But Thunderbird makes it easy, giving you as many as you want and let you label as you please. In…

> The only thing I'm missing is on iOS. Email on my phone is a literal joke.

I hear you on that. I'd even go a step further and say Apple Mail on desktop is a joke too.

That led me to build Marco, an IMAP‑primitive, offline‑first, cross‑platform email client for web, iOS, and macOS:

https://marcoapp.io

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

#137
post #70

The lack of native Microsoft Outlook support was one of the reasons I've abandoned Thunderbird. However, it is still not enough for me to come back. Sadly, corporate life is often organised around email and calendaring. All these endless meetings everyone complains about, which need to be scheduled, accepted, rejected, re-scheduled, etc. The native Exchange support does not yet support Calendar integration. Without i…

I barely ever open outlook at work. In fact I only open it on the webmail when someone asks me on teams if I have read their email. Much quieter that way as you only get to hear about the important stuff and can ignore the rest of the noise.

Unproductive culture.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients... If there are people who have never used a desktop mail client, I will say you owe it to yourself to try one. Web clients suck compared to desktop clients, it's not even close between the two. Sticking with just the Gmail interface (or whatever) is so limiting; definitely give alternatives a shot if you haven't.

I tried a couple of them, and they both started downloading my entire backlog of email to my hard drive, which I didn't want. I couldn't think of a reason why this would be necessary, but I haven't really kept up with how the technology has evolved in recent years. Is this behavior intrinsic to desktop clients?

Intrinsic, no. Common, yes. Many people who use desktop clients want a local copy of a substantial fraction of their email so that they can review or compose messages while off-line. Desktop clients also operate faster and can provide robust search services only if they have a cached copy of the messages on disk.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eudora had its own very distinct take on mail client UI. Many loved it. I never really got on with it, although I could use it. While the native codebase is probably too old to salvage now, there was a project to write a Eudora-style UI for Thunderbird as an add-on. That might be easier to revive for 21st century email. http://www.staroceans.org/wiki/A/Eudora_OSE https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/eudora_ose.ht…

I know people that used it because it was self contained for Windows if I remember correctly. I remember one person running the installation off of a Zip drive back in the 90's. I warned them that Zip disks like to randomly self destruct and he'd better be making backups.

If you want that, there is Thunderbird Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable

:-)

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

#140
post #30

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Reiterating what another HN user said about this account: You told an LLM to generate three possible responses to HN articles and then just started pasting all three?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10808926>
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