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Re: Project Gemini

#132
Why provide yet another overload for "Gemini" rather than thinking of something either novel or not in common current usage in a totally different context?

Re: Project Gemini

#134

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No images is a bit of a deal-breaker for almost everyone I would have thought.

Images aren't prohibited. They are linked but can be shown.

Gemini users kind of have a meltdown if you try to implement any optional features. One browser implemented favicons and users were flaming the github issues demanding it be removed or they would implement IP blocks for any users requesting the favicon url. I tried to find the link but search results are drowned out by Google's Gemini.

Re: Project Gemini

#136
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a different set of criticisms, such as: mandatory TLS, no file size in the response, no range requests, etc. (I made up my own in order to address these and some others.)

There was (and still is to a degree) a group of people critical of TLS. One half of the group (which I think you belong to) bitch about it being mandatory. The other half bitched about the use of TLS instead of . TLS was the main point of Gemini. And about the lack of file size: I proposed a way to sneak it in, and it was rejected outright. Oh well.

You can use the Scorpion protocol that I made up if you want optional TLS and including the file size (and if you don't like the Han unification). You can use Spartan protocol if you want the Gemini file format (with one difference) but a different protocol that does not use TLS (although it is not the same as just Gemini without TLS, but works significantly differently), although if you have any dynamic files then you might need to handle them differently for Spartan than Gemini.

Re: Project Gemini

#137

I have got only two annoyance on Gemini, lack of inline links and _font styling_, and they are by design ( https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi#44-questions-about-t... ) It's fine for something like HN, but I heavily rely on named links and emphasis on all my blogs and is a dealbreaker.

To me, inline links could be formatted as footnotes, the way we do in plain-text email.

Re: Project Gemini

#138
post #2

Why is everything named Gemini these days?

Google renamed Bard to Gemini last year. Side note: Google's "Gemini" product name is way overloaded. They have like 6 different things that you can buy/use that are named that.

Sounds like IBM’s “Watson”

Re: Project Gemini

#139

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Yeah they missed an opportunity to more fully support something more like markdown that offered in-line links and basic text formatting. Missing tables is also quite the deal breaker for a bunch of things. But yeah it seems like these lack of features is a willful and highly-opinionated approach to what the author of the protocol wants to take a stance on (their excuse is ease of implementation for clients, but I thi…

The thing is, while I agree we could just make decent and frugal websites, gemini not being based on html is a feature. It allows us separate both worlds. When I open lagrange (a gemini client) and click on a gemini link from any gemini capsule (site), I am confident it will open something similar. If I am opening a website, even a good frugal one made in HTML without js and click on an https link, I can't be sure if…

You can prevent many kind of ads and tracking from working and disable JavaScripts (and other features if wanted, e.g. CSS) entirely, although there is no guarantee that it will work.

Re: Project Gemini

#140
Maybe this is just me showing my age, but I don't understand why reinvent everything when you could just go back to something like HTML 2.0 or even 3.2 with some minor changes. I probably hate what happened with the "modern web" as much as the Gemini developers, but going full NIH is unlikely to be a good solution when there's an existing "unmodern web" to develop for, and as a bonus, can be experienced even with a modern browser.

Never underestimate interoperability.

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