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Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by Analemma_ »

rayiner wrote: post #40
cogman10 wrote: post #22

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Climate activists backed and propagandized by the fossil fuel industry and the KGB. And now that there are a number of barriers to creating new nuclear, the propaganda has flipped with fossil fuel companies supporting nuclear because they know it'll be decades before anything real can happen. I have nothing against nuclear and if it can be built I'm for it. But at the moment, solar + battery is quick to deploy and ab…

> Climate activists backed and propagandized by the fossil fuel industry and the KGB Who are the current generation of climate activists backed and propagandized by?

NIMBY homeowners mostly. For instance, these days the Sierra Club mostly exists to preserve property values by blocking all new green energy construction.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by anonymars »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #77
api wrote: post #55

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Conspiracists and media brainwashed people will react this way no matter what. Doesn’t matter whether it’s secretive or not. It’s not about you or the subject matter but their need to feel important or in possession of some truth THEY don’t want you to know.

I suspect its less about the need to feel special than you imagine. My take is that these folks can't accept that nobody is actually driving. It terrifies them to realize that we are all aboard a rudderless ship, so they imagine these secret cabals to be able to sleep at night. Take COVID. There is insufficient proof that it was the result of lab work, but many many people prefer that warm fuzzy thought over acknowle…

Kids in hot cars, drug addicts, etc.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/they-have-to-be-monsters/

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by Ancapistani »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #119
0ckpuppet wrote: post #112

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Wasn't this theory proven by documents that were released and reported on?

No, it’s very squarely in the conspiracy theory category.

Respectfully, I challenge you to show that it's any more "in the conspiracy theory category" than zoonotic crossover in a wet market.

I don't mean to say that it's proven, because to my knowledge it is not. There is a great deal more evidence pointing to it being likely than necessary for it to be considered a mainstream theory.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by theultdev »

vpShane wrote: post #71
theultdev wrote: post #53

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no I think it's fuel for boiling water

Ah yes, nuclear energy, real hot, make water boil, make things happen. You're telling me we don't have sci-fi energy harnessing capability to capture the nuclear energy itself and convert it to electricity? It's 2025!

Keep it simple, stupid.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by anonymars »

tsunamifury wrote: post #88
hammock wrote: post #59

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If we can’t have a good faith discussion then maybe it is a good idea to hide nuclear and animal labs. But with less oversight, that also invites abuse. You can probably imagine abuse on your own in an anima lab, but I would also point out after Obama banned gain of function research in 2014 U.S. scientists moved their lab to China where it continued without the same oversight, and bad things happened.

As a dyed in the wool leftist I more and more struggle with Obama legacy from common core to regulation to his utter selling out the American people to the cia. When he was well intentioned he seemed to be a total failure and when he was blatantly self interested he was monstrous. I don’t think the right is another option but woof… this is tough

On the one hand, "bomb bomb Iran"

On the other hand: https://youtu.be/HLAzeHnNgR8?si=rcgu4dkfY60icTuO

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by ceejayoz »

Ancapistani wrote: post #133
_aavaa_ wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s very squarely in the conspiracy theory category.

Respectfully, I challenge you to show that it's any more "in the conspiracy theory category" than zoonotic crossover in a wet market. I don't mean to say that it's proven, because to my knowledge it is not. There is a great deal more evidence pointing to it being likely than necessary for it to be considered a mainstream theory.

https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-update-healthcare-professionals...

> One of the contentions in support of this theory was that the furin cleavage site on the virus has never been found in nature. Therefore, to some, that meant it must have been created in a laboratory... Recently, Wu and coworkers identified a bat virus (Bat CoV CD35) that harbored a furin cleavage site identical to that found on SARS-CoV-2 (Zhu W, Huang Y, Gong J, et al. A novel bat coronavirus with a polybasic furin-like cleavage site.

> There is now abundant evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was an animal-to-human spillover event that occurred in the western section of the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market that housed several live animals that were susceptible to the virus. Indeed, the early cases of COVID-19 centered on that section of the market.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03026-9

> The hunt for the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic has new leads. Researchers have identified half a dozen animal species that could have passed SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, to people, by reanalysing genomes collected from an animal market in Wuhan, China1. The study establishes the presence of animals and the virus at the market, although it does not confirm whether the animals themselves were infected with the virus.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ghurtado wrote: post #94
galangalalgol wrote: post #48

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I don't know about activists, vut the US green party was influenced by russia for years. There is evidence of influence with Jill Stein for instance. But if you pick a political organization anywhere in the world that doesn't show signs of Russian influence, that would almost be more suspicious.

To pretend that the US "green party" has anything to do whatsoever with the environment is beyond naive, it's completely disconnected from reality. Neither their policies nor their electorate support the idea that people like Jill Stein are in any way looked at as authorities in any "green" subject. I don't think that someone that had national relevance for roughly half an election cycle, and who got less than half o…

> I don't think that someone that had national relevance for roughly half an election cycle, and who got less than half of one percent of the vote (at the peak of her popularity) has had any influence shaping nuclear opinions.

It's not about any one person. You still see this now, where people suggest regulatory reform for the process of building new nuclear plants in the US to lower construction costs, people appear to tell you that nuclear costs too much and should be abandoned, i.e. they use circular logic to present the existence of the problem you're trying to solve as a reason not to try to address it.

The current line of reasoning is something like "solar plus storage is cheaper than nuclear so nuclear must never be attempted", which ignores both any possibility of improving the cost efficiency of nuclear and that the cost comparison they're using is for intra-day storage whereas nuclear also reduces the need for multi-day storage which is significantly more expensive.

> I'm not even sure how you think Russia would benefit from less nuclear power plants an entire continent away

Russia is a petroleum exporting country and petroleum is a global commodity. If the US (or anyone else) uses nuclear instead of fossil fuels then global demand for fossil fuels declines, US natural gas or coal producers instead sell to foreign customers who might have bought gas from Russia, etc.

Notice that the US oil industry has the same incentive. Exxon is very much aligned with Putin on this one and they have lobbyists too.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by Ancapistani »

ceejayoz wrote: post #136
Ancapistani wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, I challenge you to show that it's any more "in the conspiracy theory category" than zoonotic crossover in a wet market. I don't mean to say that it's proven, because to my knowledge it is not. There is a great deal more evidence pointing to it being likely than necessary for it to be considered a mainstream theory.

https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-update-healthcare-professionals... > One of the contentions in support of this theory was that the furin cleavage site on the virus has never been found in nature. Therefore, to some, that meant it must have been created in a laboratory... Recently, Wu and coworkers identified a bat virus (Bat CoV CD35) that harbored a furin cleavage site identical to that found on SARS-CoV-2 (Zhu W, Huan…

You’ve shown that zoonotic origin is a reasonable theory; I do not dispute that.

I’m asking you to show that a reasonable person wouldn’t consider a lab origin, which is what you asserted.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by _aavaa_ »

Ancapistani wrote: post #138
ceejayoz wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-update-healthcare-professionals... > One of the contentions in support of this theory was that the furin cleavage site on the virus has never been found in nature. Therefore, to some, that meant it must have been created in a laboratory... Recently, Wu and coworkers identified a bat virus (Bat CoV CD35) that harbored a furin cleavage site identical to that found on SARS-CoV-2 (Zhu W, Huan…

You’ve shown that zoonotic origin is a reasonable theory; I do not dispute that. I’m asking you to show that a reasonable person wouldn’t consider a lab origin, which is what you asserted.

That's not how the burden of proof works. If you are putting forth the lab leak origin, it is you who must provide reasonable evidence in support of it.

Re: Kodak ran a nuclear device in its basement for decades

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Post by Ancapistani »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #139
Ancapistani wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ve shown that zoonotic origin is a reasonable theory; I do not dispute that. I’m asking you to show that a reasonable person wouldn’t consider a lab origin, which is what you asserted.

That's not how the burden of proof works. If you are putting forth the lab leak origin, it is you who must provide reasonable evidence in support of it.

I did not put it forth. The other user asserted that it was “conspiracy”. That’s the assertion that I’m challenging, not the veracity of the theory itself.
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