This story reminds me of how the high schoolers on the Korean ferry MV Sewol obeyed the instructions to stay in their rooms.
Just read about it on Wikipedia. Straight up murder. This isn't "you shouldn't follow instructions" but more "dont get murdered". They 2x overloaded cargo, made it loose, captain abandons ship while staying in place order remains.
My dad could still be alive, but he's not
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Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not
#132I can speak to this. I recently joined a community first responder association (I've always wanted to know what to do in case of a medical emergency) and was shocked to hear the members' horror stories of how long it can take an ambulance to arrive. Like the author, I grew up with the narrative "in trouble, call the ambulance, they'll scream through the streets to get to you in moments". That might still be true wher…
She started breathing again after a few minutes and seems fine, but they left the UK not long after that.
Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not
#133My condolences, very sorry for your loss. I work as an EMT (911) and resourcing is certainly a problem. In my small city, our response time is around 5 minutes, and if we need to upgrade to get paramedics, that’s maybe another 5-10. However, if we are out on a call, out of service, or the neighboring city is on a call, now the next closest unit is 15+ minutes away.. sometimes there can just be bad luck in that nearby…
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fire crews here in BC are dispatched to severe medical incidents (like heart attacks) and most of the time can even beat ambulance crews to a scene according to the blog post, the father was talking (said "be careful" about a left hand turn) and apparently ambulatory (collapsed on his way into the hospital), so perhaps it wasn't yet considered a severe medical incident yet. in the post she was told by her mother th…
So I don't know exactly how Toronto operates their ambulance service, but unless the family gave some bad details, the calltaker should have gleaned that they were likely dealing with a case of cardiac-related chest pain, and that's right at the top of the list of severe emergencies, regardless of how far along it has progressed, at least over here anyways. I should add I feel a little queasy about dissecting this bl…
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#135My wife had a seizure a few years ago, and the first response team clocked in under 5 minutes (close to 3 by my count but I wasnt paying a lot of attention). Then 2 more ambulances arrived The emergency response team is an SUV rather than a full ambulance, with 2 trained paramedics and as much kit as they can fit in. They are faster, because they don't do patient transport, and can arrive ahead of patient transport vehicles. See issues with "ramping" and so forth.
Anyway, this is really an issue of local government policy. Just vote/spay/neuter/tar/feather your politicians.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow melbourne is getting that bad! Does your org have a name?
Sounds like Hatzolah Melbourne, https://hatzolah.org.au since 1994 Since 1998, in Melbourne for anything that might need a defibrillator a fire engine is sent at the same time as the ambulance (EMR Emergency Medical Response Program). https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2002/177/6/cardiac-arrests-tr... Medical Journal of Australia article. There is also GoodSAM https://www.ambulance.vic.gov.au/goodsam/ for individual help…
Asking because (different country) when we had a person present with stroke symptoms and called 911, they sent both an ambulance and the helicopter. The heli came first but it had to land a ways off on a field and they had to walk over and basically arrived around the same time as the ambulance. A couple minutes earlier basically. No fire engine dispatched but that made sense too as it's volunteer based and while they would've been much closer, getting them to the station would've taken longer than the helicopter.
Driving time for the ambulance if it came from the same place as the helipad would've been about 15 min for the ambulance. Fire engine driving time from volunteer department: 2 min but no dedicated paramedic services, just volunteer firefighters. Heli time in air probably about 2 minutes given the "as the crow flies" distance I just checked, add whatever time is needed to get them in the air and such.
Now I can't really trust these numbers fully of course but according to "a quick AI analysis" :P Melbourne with millions of population has 0.08 helicopters and 8-10 ambulances per 100k population while the aforementioned location is at about 0.3 helicopters per 100k and 6-12 ambulances. Can it be true? It also says New York City has no emergency helicopters at all? Los Angeles has 0.18 per 100k? I know my current location definitely also has none at all. For millions of people.
Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not
#137> my dad is dead, because his family members were too naive to know that the thing they were instructed to do by the state was a false thing. The primary goal of the state is to ensure the power of the state is perpetuated. It's really the only goal of the state, anything it does good for its people is a side effect in its pursuit of maintaining power. The government doesn't care about you, doesn't care about your he…
Well, that makes sense considering failure of the state is a very, very bad situation.
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#138This is a very tragic story and my heart goes out to the family. It's one I've seen a few times now and hear about on a very regular basis from my coworkers. I am a Canadian Paramedic (EMR soon to be PCP in a few months, roughly equivalent to EMT and AEMT respectively). Some things strike out at me: - Here in BC our calltakers can advise patients on some treatments. I'm sure if that were to happen here, they would ha…
> Fire crews here in BC are dispatched to severe medical incidents (like heart attacks) and most of the time can even beat ambulance crews to a scene according to the blog post, the father was talking (said "be careful" about a left hand turn) and apparently ambulatory (collapsed on his way into the hospital), so perhaps it wasn't yet considered a severe medical incident yet. in the post she was told by her mother th…
When I've called 911, the dispatchers grilled me going right down the list of signs and symptoms and did an excellent triage job.
I'm a volunteer EMT / FF at a pretty rural station, and the thing that slows us down the most is traffic if we're coming from behind the accident, and distance. As the sibling / gp said, the dispatchers know where we are via gps at almost all times and usually tell the RP (Reporting Party) when we're close so someone can go out and flag us down.
I don't mean to be argumentative, just provide what I know working as a volly FF/EMT for a year. As others have said, this is tragic.
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#139After we were finally admitted in the actual room the doctor said his ematocrit was lower than a dead person’s, but fortunately he was saved that time.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe paramedics, but basic EMTs don’t even start IVs where I am— It’s the sort of thing you can get certified to do in a few weeks and pays about as much as entry-level fast food work. Phlebotomy is a lot more nuanced afaik.
There's a lot of interesting research on paramedics vs emts (I believe the term of art is basic life support vs advanced cardiac life support). In areas where there is a good ER, it's better to have low level basic life support and break the sound barrier to the ER than do significant intervention on site but slow arrival at the hospital, as far as I am aware.