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Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by hexbin010 »

kibwen wrote: post #79
lrvick wrote: post #64

Since giving up my cell phone entirely over 5 years ago, my productivity, memory, and overall happiness are at the highest levels they have ever been, in my late 30s. I no longer apologize to anyone for this lifestyle choice anymore since the benefits are something everyone deserves, but almost all opt out of today for made up reasons. I take photos with a pocket mirrorless, and take notes with a notebook. I tell tim…

Last Monday in a fit of exasperation I turned my phone into airplane mode. And that's where I left it, for an entire week. I swear this was the most productive week of work I've ever had in my professional career. It's astonishing. On the weekend I wanted to call my mom and yet I dreaded taking it off airplane mode. I'm going to try doing this for the foreseeable future.

Curious, did you have all notifications turned off prior to that? ie was it that you responded to notifications?

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by hexbin010 »

rpdillon wrote: post #80
lrvick wrote: post #64

Since giving up my cell phone entirely over 5 years ago, my productivity, memory, and overall happiness are at the highest levels they have ever been, in my late 30s. I no longer apologize to anyone for this lifestyle choice anymore since the benefits are something everyone deserves, but almost all opt out of today for made up reasons. I take photos with a pocket mirrorless, and take notes with a notebook. I tell tim…

> Whenever I see parents scrolling, and handing a kid a phone as well to pacify them, I wish I could report them for child abuse. Consider that you might not have everything figured out for everyone. I'm glad you found something that works, but the will to impose your way on others isn't benevolent.

"It takes a village to raise a child"

Oh my god that's so true!

Actually, screw the village

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by hexbin010 »

Gooblebrai wrote: post #76
lrvick wrote: post #64

Since giving up my cell phone entirely over 5 years ago, my productivity, memory, and overall happiness are at the highest levels they have ever been, in my late 30s. I no longer apologize to anyone for this lifestyle choice anymore since the benefits are something everyone deserves, but almost all opt out of today for made up reasons. I take photos with a pocket mirrorless, and take notes with a notebook. I tell tim…

> I pay for things at stores with cash instead of tap to pay Good luck living in London with cash. I guess a plastic credit cards is allowed

What particular issues are you referring to?

You can top-up Oyster with cash at machines and counters. Oyster cards are better as they are ~500ms quicker when tapping !

Cash is still pretty viable in the UK. I can't think of a single place the past decade where they've not taken cash and I've been sad about it or massively inconvenienced - but then again I don't get out much ;)

If a restaurant thinks it can get away with just tiny text on a menu informing that it's cashless, you could give them a lesson in the law.

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by instagib »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #127
watwut wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual article (not the blog post) does mention it as likely partial cause.

This thesis contradicts the chart though. Why would older people be much less affected and the generation 70+ even show a negative trend if these people were far more likely to experience a more severe disease progression? You would expect them to be hit at least as hard (if not harder) as young people from those long term memory effects. The trend for the youngest age group also starts well before 2019.

In my family, people 70+ stop using mobile phones or never used them in the first place.

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by walterbell »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #129
binary132 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think I quite caught your meaning.

I mean this turn of speech makes it easier to identify hunan (carbon) or machine (silicon) content. Took me a bit to figure it out too

Thanks, human :)

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by jjgreen »

Gooblebrai wrote: post #76
lrvick wrote: post #64

Since giving up my cell phone entirely over 5 years ago, my productivity, memory, and overall happiness are at the highest levels they have ever been, in my late 30s. I no longer apologize to anyone for this lifestyle choice anymore since the benefits are something everyone deserves, but almost all opt out of today for made up reasons. I take photos with a pocket mirrorless, and take notes with a notebook. I tell tim…

> I pay for things at stores with cash instead of tap to pay Good luck living in London with cash. I guess a plastic credit cards is allowed

I live in London and always pay cash; there are a few places which are card-only, I don't shop there.

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by rpdillon »

31337Logic wrote: post #113
rpdillon wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whenever I see parents scrolling, and handing a kid a phone as well to pacify them, I wish I could report them for child abuse. Consider that you might not have everything figured out for everyone. I'm glad you found something that works, but the will to impose your way on others isn't benevolent.

Your reply was next to meaningless as it doesn't offer anything above a "well, that's just how YOU feel about it!". Yes, that's true. That /is/ how the OP feels about it. But at least they were able to articulate their point and get a message across, along with an implied (albeit weak) "call to action", not meant to be taken literally. Although I'm sure, if polled, the majority of folks in this thread would agree wit…

The purpose of my comment was to point out that just because you've found a solution that works for you does not mean it is generalizable and should be turned into a rule for the entire population.

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by panstromek »

Feels like a lot of jumping to conclusion in the article. It just assumes the causation like it's been proven.

It also assumes the finding is negative, which is more subtle but similarly problematic. Decline in memory might just mean that our brain is reallocating capacity for something else. It could also mean that the nature of what we're trying to remember has changed and it's now more difficult (e.g. There's more entropy in the data, or the data is changing more often).

Research good, article reasoning sloppy.

Re: Study finds memory decline surge in young people

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Post by lrvick »

rpdillon wrote: post #138
31337Logic wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your reply was next to meaningless as it doesn't offer anything above a "well, that's just how YOU feel about it!". Yes, that's true. That /is/ how the OP feels about it. But at least they were able to articulate their point and get a message across, along with an implied (albeit weak) "call to action", not meant to be taken literally. Although I'm sure, if polled, the majority of folks in this thread would agree wit…

The purpose of my comment was to point out that just because you've found a solution that works for you does not mean it is generalizable and should be turned into a rule for the entire population.

To be clear on my views.

1. I am entirely convinced minors should not have smartphones and every study supports this being a net negative.

2. I feel most adults are better off without them too, but it is an adult choice. For most I suggest deleting a frequently used app ever month until you stop seeing benefits.

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