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Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by antongribok »

m_gloeckl wrote: post #109
afeuerstein wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on what was wrong with your cellular connection?

My plan advertises "up to 50 Mbit/s" on a 4G connection. I was getting less than 1 Mbit/s a lot of the time. Websites and videos would not load properly. I downloaded the app of the german ministry that allows you to take speed tests and file a complaint. After multiple weeks of measuring connection speeds on the cellular network, I was able to file a complaint.

What did the provider do? Did they put your IMEI onto some list of other customers that complained, where all of you get better network prioritization?

I'm genuinely curious.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by thelaxiankey »

lwn wrote: post #48

I recently moved to a Dutch municipality that runs its own non-profit ISP. They installed a symmetric 1 Gbps fiber connection with a static IP at my house for 40 euros per month. The service is solid, there’s no upselling or throttling, and hosting things from home just works. I bring this up because when we talk about “open”, “fair” and “monopolies” the model of a local, non-profit ISP backed by the municipality cou…

i've wondered for a long time why this isn't a more common solution to these services that are almost inevitably monopolous. power, water, and internet kind of things.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

phineyes wrote: post #14

This isn't unique to Vodafone. Google has also been slowly withdrawing from IXes globally in favor of PNIs and "VPPs" (verified peering providers). This only makes it harder for smaller networks to establish presence on the internet and feels pretty anti-competitive. On the flip side, IXes are becoming harder and less desirable to participate in: port fees are going up, useful networks are withdrawing, low quality ne…

> IXes are becoming harder and less desirable to participate in

Could this be due to the rise of services like Equinix Fabric and Inter.link? Google doesn't need to peer directly with most anymore because there is always a middleman somewhere who can handle it, and for many businesses the convenience of a point and click web gui outways whatever it costs?

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by Starlevel004 »

> When Deutsche Telekom customers want to watch YouTube, that traffic flows directly from Google's network to Deutsche Telekom's network at a Frankfurt exchange point—maybe four or five router hops, minimal latency, no intermediaries. It's elegant. It's efficient. And it's exactly what Vodafone is abandoning.

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Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by Retric »

namibj wrote: post #112
Retric wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High speed internet is a market not just internet access. Email might not care that your on a DSL connection but a streamer can’t generally use DSL as a substitute.

They mean VDSL; that's 100~200 Mbit down and 10~24~50 Mbit up.

VDSL2 can hit those speeds in optimal conditions, but at the end of last year ~14% of Germans have internet under 10Mbps and ~17% where 10-30Mbps.

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Post by lxgr »

1a527dd5 wrote: post #132

Germany is on a weird path; first the nuclear power withdrawal and now this. It's all a bit topsy turvy.

Germany has had a weird approach when it comes to the Internet for several decades, but sure, it must somehow be related to recent nuclear power policies.

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Post by tharkun__ »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #123
markdown wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the internet is out, it's going to be just as visible and probably will yield as many complaints as losing power, sewer, and water. More. Far more visible. Much easier to go without municipal power than without internet.

I don't find that it is usually even possible to have internet without power. How would that work?

When we loose power here internet usually works just fine. All you need is a generator and you're back up and running. Usually the POP still has power so this works for a long time. Sometimes they are or run out of (backup) power too if its widespread and prolonged. Cell service including LTE is usually still up / up for longer, so again as long as you have a generator, you're good.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by cachius »

Starlevel004 wrote: post #135

> When Deutsche Telekom customers want to watch YouTube, that traffic flows directly from Google's network to Deutsche Telekom's network at a Frankfurt exchange point—maybe four or five router hops, minimal latency, no intermediaries. It's elegant. It's efficient. And it's exactly what Vodafone is abandoning. Tab closed

Why?

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Post by glitchcrab »

1a527dd5 wrote: post #132

Germany is on a weird path; first the nuclear power withdrawal and now this. It's all a bit topsy turvy.

It doesn’t make sense to conflate a decision made by the government with that of a private company, just because they happen to be in the same country.
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