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It’s not about a preconceived box. It’s that you keep saying “the woke left” and only “the woke left” despite the fact that it is Republicans controlling all three branches of government right now. It is republicans doing the thing you’re claiming you’re against. Yet (again) it’s all “the woke left, the woke left.” Omissions can be louder than words, and yours are screaming. Also in my experience, most people who kee…
Ok dude.
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I think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great. The recent model y looks terrible, like a duck. And the ergonomics are cheap and dangerous. Removing turn signal stalks, drive select stalks is dangerous. I like the idea of buttons, but turn signal buttons? buttons on a moving steering wheel? and the rest of the critical controls buried on a touchscreen? inside door handles? ugh.
> I think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great. They look terrible. They looked terrible when they came out 13, 8 and 5 years ago and they have aged very poorly.
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Right now the electric car market sucks in the US. I'd honestly recommend people just go hybrid instead. Toyota has been doing it for 18 years now and hasn't had any reliability issues.
But then you’d drive a car made for an 80 year old.
But regardless, If someone really wants a sporty car, they can get a sporty car. The vast majority of car buyers don't really care. They care about things like space, comfort, features, and monthly payment.
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> Musk doesn't say or do anything you can't see on Fox every day. He doesn't spout opinions you can't read expressed right here on HN in every politics thread again, he literally threw two Sieg Heils. I don't see that every day.
That's a pretty strained "literally". Even taking everything at the worst possible interpretation, it's edgelord fuckery. Not something I'd personally support, but absolutely in the "drunk uncle" category of misbehavior. I think some of the problem is that people aren't exposed to enough drunk uncles to know how awful the electorate can be. Again, we're barely a half century removed from living in a literal[1] segreg…
> taking everything at the worst possible interpretation
wouldn't the "worst possible interpretation" here also equal the simplest possible interpretation, which is that he did two Sieg Heils because he's a Nazi sympathizer?
> you are doing business with them all the time
I'm really not generally in the habit of supporting the business interests of Nazis, no.
just to be clear, if my uncle were a Nazi he would not be welcome in my life, in my home, nor near any of my family. I'm not sure why you're going to so much effort to excuse this behavior.
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But then you’d drive a car made for an 80 year old.
I don't really feel that's a fair analysis of either the brand or hybrids in general and paints in too broad of strokes. But regardless, If someone really wants a sporty car, they can get a sporty car. The vast majority of car buyers don't really care. They care about things like space, comfort, features, and monthly payment.
The only niche I see remaining for hybrids/phev's is large cars in large countries with bad charging infrastructure (aka US, AU).
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That's a pretty strained "literally". Even taking everything at the worst possible interpretation, it's edgelord fuckery. Not something I'd personally support, but absolutely in the "drunk uncle" category of misbehavior. I think some of the problem is that people aren't exposed to enough drunk uncles to know how awful the electorate can be. Again, we're barely a half century removed from living in a literal[1] segreg…
it's really not strained. did you watch the (many) videos? it is a literally literal Nazi salute, twice. > taking everything at the worst possible interpretation wouldn't the "worst possible interpretation" here also equal the simplest possible interpretation, which is that he did two Sieg Heils because he's a Nazi sympathizer? > you are doing business with them all the time I'm really not generally in the habit of s…
It is clearly not, though. It's arguably evocative of one. There is an actual form to the thing, it was a military gyration, and people taught it. You can even read the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute It is static at the end, being held with palm down and arm stretched forward. It does not begin at the heart, as Musk performed, nor swing sideways.
Obviously you don't care about this minutiae, but it's important if you want to hang your argument on "literally a Nazi salute".
What you and I both agree on is that this was intended to evoke the idea. Where we differ is how you want to interpret it. You, I guess, think it means signaling a desire to repeat the holocaust, or something maybe a little less horrifying.
I think it's pretty clear he's wanting to create exactly the argument we're having. To wit, this was a troll, and you fell for it, and now all us lefties look like Ivermectin snorting loons because real people OBVIOUSLY know that Musk isn't a nazi.
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I don't really feel that's a fair analysis of either the brand or hybrids in general and paints in too broad of strokes. But regardless, If someone really wants a sporty car, they can get a sporty car. The vast majority of car buyers don't really care. They care about things like space, comfort, features, and monthly payment.
It's not only sportiness. It's also absolutely spartan features / technology that's also got terrible usability, bare minimum comfort level, etc. Reliability is mixed bag too - hybrid batteries clap out pretty quickly and then you got all downsides of ICE maintenance. The only niche I see remaining for hybrids/phev's is large cars in large countries with bad charging infrastructure (aka US, AU).
Im not sure how hybrid had anything to do with other features or comfort. Features like carplay/aa, heated wheel/seats, ventilated seats, automatic wipers/parking brake/high beams are all independent from drive train. I've never seen a manufacturer reserve them for ICE or electric-only.
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> I think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great. They look terrible. They looked terrible when they came out 13, 8 and 5 years ago and they have aged very poorly.
I think we will solve this aesthetics dispute with additional, more emphatic, back and forth.
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1M cars over 13 models mean you’ll have no parts at all. 10M identical cars means there’s massive third party supply. Parts are already cheaper than Toyota’s.
A typical car sells tens of thousands per year and has no problem with parts availability. 1M cars is even easier.